"I am NOT an animal"

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"I am NOT an animal"

Many who do not appear to have much knowledge of biology seem indignant when learning that H. sapiens are classified as animals (alternatives being plant and virus). I do not recall ever hearing a Non-Theist object. 1) Is there something about religion that causes this?

You see I am NOT an animal, never was and never in a billion years will I evolve to be one, my family tree all the way back to Adam don't have one ape in it.

2) Why be upset, indignant or in denial about a biological / taxonomic classification?

3) Since humans differ from other animals only in degree (some mental and physical characteristics), what is the objection to recognizing that they are animals?

4) Is anything other than religion (and possibly narcissism) involved?


In the quoted statement someone (whose theological position apparently defies description) claims knowledge of his family tree back to Adam – as though that proves the claimant is not an animal. However, if the hypothetical Adam was human (H. sapiens), he (Adam) classifies as an animal.

[FarWanderer]

This little video is pretty good in explaining that there is more to man then this body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk

That video explained no such thing. All it did is argue that the universe was designed. Design in no way implies mind/body dualism in humans.

Also, you should be aware that the Cosmological Constant is what determines the speed of the universe's expansion from the Big Bang. The fine tuning argument that your video supports goes like this:

If the CC (and therefore the universe's expansion rate) were even just a tiny bit different, stars could never have formed and we could not ever have come to exist. Usually the "coming to exist" includes the process of evolution.

In other words, the whole video and all its arguments should be meaningless to you if you don't believe that there was a Big Bang, that the universe is expanding, and that evolution actually happened.

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For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

If man has no preeminence over the animals, then we would have to be equal to or less than the animals.

It seems that equal to would be the better option.

So I say we are animals.

Hello Myth-one, hope all is well with you.

So you have also fallen to the Evolution religion, they are very accommodating and can go side by side with almost any religion, something like Catholics; "We have our gods, or you can BYOG" (like the invitation to a college party, BYOB - bring your own beer)

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20)

I don't see how man is an animal from this Bible quote? Both from the dust yes, have the breath of life, yes, go back to dust, yes, but man is not this flesh, this is a tent. Who we really are is the spirit/mind in this body of flesh, which is from God. Sure God Spirit gives life to the animals too, and the plants, but they don't have that 'image' or likeness of our Creator like we do.

The whole idea of the Evolution theory is to ignore Gods Spirit in man, his mind and make him think that all he is, is the flesh, in which case he is not much different then the animals. Once the mind/spirit of man is reduced to the brain, then like all animals man also acts on instinct, and this free will is nothing but an imaginary impulse created by millions of years of evolution accumulated in the brain.

So if man is just an animal, who then is this God?
That's right, then God is just the imagination of the brain, and the Evolution religion wins, it has succeeded in deceiving man that there is no Creator other than the created.

This little video is pretty good in explaining that there is more to man then this body:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4E_bT4ecgk

We do have dominion over the other animals:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And according to the Bible, we are the only animal which has the possibility of gaining everlasting spiritual life.

Nonetheless, we are still animals.

So do "All Animal Go To Heaven"? I heard all Dogs Go to Heaven!?

What is 'spiritual life' to an animal, or to the flesh in general?

There is nothing wrong with being an animal.

Yeah, .. nothing wrong for an animal, but I would definitely object to being turned into one, and live out the rest of my life as an animal! Even if it was only for 7-years.

Some of my best friends are animals.

Well yeah, .. some of us could even say; "the only true friends I've got on earth are animals" lol but sadly.



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Hmm.. I always wondered why mom tied a bone around my neck and left me sitting at a park bench all day?

I don't consider evolution a religion, but a fact. The only point of contention is the origin of life. After that, we do evolve. People are different today that they were just 100's of years ago.

Regarding the idea (from the youtube video) that God must exist because the cosmological constant has to be so extremely fined tuned that it must have had a tuner -- to me this is simply another proof that man cannot understand infinity.

I would suggest that if the odds of everything occurring absolutely perfectly so that the odds of our universe being created by chance were one in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion; then those would be good odds within the bounds of infinity!

And there are probably uncountable universes.

But man limits what he cannot understand. So that no other universes can exist by our definition of the universe as all of time and space.

Now, some want to prove God by claiming that our universe could not exist without someone to do this fine tuning. That is, it could not happen by chance.

But if that's the case, that proof of God places limits on an omnipotent God as there is only the one universe by definition.

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Regarding man being more than an animal:

The false idea that all mankind is born with an immortal part which lives forever has destroyed what was meant to be Christianity. Here's why:

If man lives forever, he must reside somewhere. Christian theologians assign heaven as the eternal home of those who believe in Jesus Christ, while all others are condemned eternally to hell.

However, spiritual bodies such as the soul do not experience pain. It is simply not fair that nonbelievers live for eternity in hell with no corporal punishment! Therefore, let's reunite the soul with an incorruptible physical body at the resurrection. This physical body can suffer pain but never die. Now nonbelievers can experience excruciating pain every second for eternity.

Ah, the complete and perfect system!

"Christian" churches and organizations who teach such nonsense should be held accountable for the damage they cause.

According to the Bible, there are two type of bodies, physical and spiritual. And the physical comes first and may be followed by the spiritual. Man is an animal which will perish unless he is born again into the everlasting spiritual world.

It's the old KISS principle. But man likes to complicate things so he can falsely appear to be intelligent when he explains these "mysteries."

Hello Myth-one, hope all is well with you.

All is really great! Thanks for asking.

Hope it's the same with you and yours!!

God Bless!

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Perhaps it is a sincere (if unintended) compliment when opposing debaters cannot dispute major points / arguments (such as "H. sapiens are animals" or "Religion requires 'take my word for it'") but focus on whatever small "mistakes" they can find. This is amplified when they are congratulated as though it was a major coup.

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A case can certainly be made for mankind being the most deceitful beast/creatures in the visible universe:

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Saying "we don't want to be like that" isn't going to change the fact of being a desperately wicked deceitful above all things BEAST.

Ecclesiastes 3:19
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

[Clownboat]

In the quoted statement someone (whose theological position apparently defies description) claims knowledge of his family tree back to Adam – as though that proves the claimant is not an animal. However, if the hypothetical Adam was human (H. sapiens), he (Adam) classifies as an animal.

In Biblical “Classification humans is created separately from animals as image of God. It makes human different than animal.

That I think is the reason for not accepting to be animal. However it is totally different think and matter of belief does person accept Biblical classification.

I don’t see why person should accept modern biological classification, even if there are similarities in physical structure.

I don't mind scientific classifications, it is a name given to a group of living things that are alike. It certainly doesn't take away from who I am because I am in the same classification as a goat or sheep. As Christians, our identity does not come from man, but from God, would you agree?

There is a huge difference in being classified as an animal, and evolving from one (which I have a hard time swallowing).

You can swallow that there is claimed to be a being that created the universe with words and formed man out of clay, but changes in the gene pool of populations from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift, something we view happening in reality is hard to swallow?

I don't understand. Were you not aware that evolution is a fact? (The theory/mechanism behind changes in the gene pool that we see happening is not a fact, but it is still the best theory we have to describe the fact of evolution). Hope that makes sense.

Not swallowing "changes in the gene pool" is like denying that the earth is a sphere it would seem.

As far as relating evolution specifically to humans, please see this:

[Zzyzx]

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A case can certainly be made for mankind being the most deceitful beast/creatures in the visible universe:

Actually, that only makes the case that Bible writers had such a low opinion of mankind. Many Bible believers seem to adopt similar attitudes.

Is it factual, realistic, accurate, verifiable?

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A case can certainly be made for mankind being the most deceitful beast/creatures in the visible universe:

Actually, that only makes the case that Bible writers had such a low opinion of mankind. Many Bible believers seem to adopt similar attitudes.

Is it factual, realistic, accurate, verifiable?

Whether the scripture is acknowledged or not anyone can observe the evils of man externally. As to your sight, I would consider it a one sided view of scripture.

The scriptural construct of man presented is one of Gods children bound with the spirit of disobedience that is "not them."

Think of it as Perfection bound with imperfection in the flesh if that makes it easier to understand.

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Whether the scripture is acknowledged or not anyone can observe the evils of man externally.

Humans exhibit some "evil" (or negative) personality traits and behaviors – some "good" (or positive) traits and behaviors.

Some religions and individuals seem to focus upon the negative (perhaps to offer a "solution").

As to your sight, I would consider it a one sided view of scripture.

Who was it that said:

A case can certainly be made for mankind being the most deceitful beast/creatures in the visible universe:

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Saying "we don't want to be like that" isn't going to change the fact of being a desperately wicked deceitful above all things BEAST.

Ecclesiastes 3:19
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

That all sounds pretty negative, doesn't it?

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Whether the scripture is acknowledged or not anyone can observe the evils of man externally.

Humans exhibit some "evil" (or negative) personality traits and behaviors – some "good" (or positive) traits and behaviors.

Sure. It's a universal/all condition to/within mankind, scripturally speaking. It's our "beast" internal quotient.

Some religions and individuals seem to focus upon the negative (perhaps to offer a "solution").

Generally speaking I don't believe there is a solution in the hands of mankind proposed by the scriptures for any quotients eradicating internal evil.

[Clownboat]

Well no wonder you guys hate God, you don't know Jack who our Creator God is?

Is this Creator Jack the same guy that went up the bean stalk?

Well when you live in a State for 35 years, and the very reason you moved there; the sunny dark blue skies, and then suddenly in a few years all these planes crisscross all over the place spraying like hell till you can't see even the closest mountains, and it stays all day without raining making the sun set as bright as a flash from a camera, then you see all the info leaking out, even an idiot like me can put two and two together. Why, .. what excuse did they tell you to tell people? Just make fun and belittle everything they say. Play along, make light of the conversation and act like you never seen ANY of what they say. And even if your going blind from the spray, and throwing up blood, you are not to admit that it's the gas we put in the air. We'll then make a special program for you in the Matrix where you can be a King of your own Kingdom and live forever!

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.

Aww.. I could just see you as one of those officers who let Dahmer take that last boy he drilled holes in his head back to his apartment, even though he was signaling for help, and others saying that this boy was asking them for help, only he seemed drugged and out of it, and terribly afraid!
Naw, .. Dahmer was so nice, there ain't no way he would be hurting his little boyfriend.

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.

Lol, .. I see they rushed you through the 'Agenda 21' denial-training. Just tell them; "Conspiracy, conspiracy, everything is a conspiracy! Go home and watch non-stop Netflix, let us your loving government handle the conspiracies, we have eyes everywhere!"

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.

Yes, so just be careful, especially you already have all the signs of denial, so better wake up my friend, I can help.

Since arian is the common denominator, wouldn't it be foolish to reach out to him for help?

Here is a good example what is happening to millions if not billions of people who are totally convinced that there is no conspiracy, but that the earth is going through a New Age Evolution cycle, and that the Earth is being recycled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqSZhwu1Rwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHz9it70TdI

Please make a point. I have no idea why you linked to this Heavens Gate stuff.

Hey, no problem my friend, I know how I sound to you, only I wish you could see/hear how you sound to me? Maybe watching those videos might wake you up, because this time the demons have succeeded deceiving the people on a world wide scale, with music, movies, TV, video games, symbols on t-shirts, shoes, tattoos, education system, spraying in the air to alter peoples minds on the genetic level, in our food, .. I mean no one can deny that the masses are ready for that 'next jump in evolution' (whatever the hell they mean by that? But that's besides the point), whether it's a spaceship to Mars, or killing themselves to get into CHAPPiE suit (robot) or just download their souls on to a disk and send it off into space hoping some intelligent alien race will revive them off the disk.
But the demonic-leaders know that only a few hundred thousand could be convinced to be killed that way (evolve to the next level), so they have planned a total annihilation, purge style where they are preparing to cut off all food and water and have the people go at each other, all the while bombarding them with HAARP signals that have made everything from birds to fish to whales commit suicide, including bees, .. and humans you are next! Look at the Marshal Applewhite cult, look at how sure the students of Doe the self proclaimed Sci-Fi-Jesus were in their exit-videos? People please, this is exactly what's happening to you, whether you are attending church, or your local pub, or sports bar, you are being prepped to be raptured out of here through suicide. And for you my age or older, it will be your own children that will make sure you make that 'Evolutionary-jump', armed to the teeth with weapons no human can escape from.

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.

I am NOT playing guys, this is real. Every time I hear Richard Dawkins make a speech, I see this guy Marshal Applewhite in him. I mean honestly open your eyes and see just how crazy he is with his war against a Creator, like a mad man, half the time he is completely out of it, doesn't even know what he is saying? That's because the demons in him are speaking.

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.

Why do you think everyone is denying my Undeniable Scientific evidence of our Creator?

Because you have not offered such a thing. Arian, you are literally the only person that thinks you have some special knowledge and that you have supplied some undeniable scientific evidence. The fact that you are alone, should not cause you to assume you have special knowledge, it should cause you to examine your claims more carefully.

Because it's not them anymore, it is who rules in man that is scared of what I reveal. Look at all the study on consciousness and the mind, for what? Come on, for what? Oh yea, so they could administer the right drugs for the right patient, .. lol. Yes, and then to keep everyone healthy living for two, three hundred years, they will inject nanobots to keep you going like an 18 year old forever.

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.

Oh yea, about the Agenda 21 plan, well that must go on as planned! Oh yea, about those nanobots .. well they aren't going 'into you' anymore, instead we are going to turn you into a nanobot and put you in a Matrix, or send you off to Mars. Oh you'll just love the fresh air there, and talk about getting a nice deep tan, oh you will get a tan alright, even if living deep in the ground, your bones themselves will turn brown from the radiation within a few days. ANYTHING to get off this God-created chaotic horrible place called earth that we are working so hard to 'Recycle'.

You really should stop posting stuff like this. It is irrelevant and only makes you sound crazy.