Why is god in hiding?

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Why is god in hiding?

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If the Biblical god exists why does it hide away, making its existence a matter of faith not reality?

Those who claim there is evidence that god exists, can never provide that evidence.

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From the OP:
Why is god in hiding?
Ya can't hide if ya ain't there to do it.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
-Punkinhead Martin

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Re: Why is god in hiding?

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By Grace wrote:
A thesaurus is NOT the same thing as a dictionary.
I know you want to distract from my main argument and don't want to address it, but please this is ridiculous.

A simple, quick search on the Google reveals otherwise. 8-)

Here again from "dictionary.com":

genuine

[jen-yoo-in]

Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
adjective
1.
possessing the claimed or attributed character, quality, or origin; not counterfeit; authentic; real:
genuine sympathy; a genuine antique.
2.
properly so called:
a genuine case of smallpox.
3.
free from pretense, affectation, or hypocrisy; sincere:
a genuine person.
4.
descended from the original stock; pure in breed:
a genuine Celtic people.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/genuine





By Grace wrote: I have no idea about what you post in the above quote nor how they relate to the subjects in my post. Please elaborate as to the relevance.

Don't play dumb, it does not suit you. :)

You said you don't agree with the fact that beliefs are not choices(doxastic involuntarism), with the notion that someone can't just elect to start sincerely believing in any God without being persuaded or compelled by evidence.

From this followed my question:

Q: Can you really choose, will yourself after 5 minute reading this post to sincerely believe that aliens(the Greys, reptilians), Yeti, Lock Nest Monster, Anunnaki and Nibiru or any other fantastic thing exist without being convinced and persuaded by evidence?

Please answer the question.





Also please don't ignore the most important part of my post. It looks bad on you. ;)

By Grace wrote:
Quote:
Q: Is God(Yahweh) an omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly good being? (Yes/No question)


Yes, He is

Quote:
Q: Does God(Yahweh) want to have a personal relationship with me? (Yes/No question)


Yes, He does

Quote:
Q: Does God(Yahweh) want for me to believe in him?(Yes/No question)


Yes, he does.

ALL of those (as far as the questions go) are answered in the affirmative in Scripture.



Notation:

D= my sincere belief that God(Yahweh) does not exist.

Logical deduction by reductio ad absurdum:

P1. God(Yahweh) is an omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly good being who wants me to believe in him and have a personal relationship with me. (I assumed God(Yahweh) exists).
P2. An omniscient being knows of a way to stop D.
P3. An omnipotent being who knows of a way to stop D has the power to do so.
P4. A being who knows of a way to stop D, has the power to do so , and who wants to do so, would do it.
P5. If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and who perfectly good being who wants me to believe in him and have a personal relationship with me, then D does not exist.
P6. Because God(Yahweh) exists then D does not exist.
P7. D exists.(Logical contradiction)

C: Therefore God(Yahweh) an omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly good being who wants me to believe in him and have a personal relationship with me does not exist.

Either he is willing but not able therefore not omnipotent but weak.
Or he is able but no willing therefore he is indifferent.
Or he is neither able, neither willing; then why call him God?
If he is both able and willing whence cometh D? Eh?

The only premises you could hypothetically reject are P1 and P7 but that would mean you would contradict yourself because you have already accepted them.
You agreed my sincere belief aka D exists: " I have no illusions about the sincerity of your belief".
You agreed God(Yahweh) is an omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly good being.
You agreed God(Yahweh) wants to have a personal relationship with me and wants for me to believe in him.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"God is a insignificant nobody. He is so unimportant that no one would even know he exists if evolution had not made possible for animals capable of abstract thought to exist and invent him"
"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

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alexxcJRO wrote: Don't play dumb, it does not suit you. :)
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