How did Christ die for our sins?

[marco]

A nearby church has the words "CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS" written in giant letters on its wall. What can this mean?

Does it mean that by sinning we somehow killed Jesus?

Or does it mean that we can happily go on sinning in whatever way we want as Jesus has obligingly taken the punishment?


In what way is Christ's crucifixion linked, for example, to Hitler's Holocaust?

[marco]

A nearby church has the words "CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS" written in giant letters on its wall. What can this mean?

It somehow suggests we have a licence to kill, since Christ made it so for us. If things go happily or unhappily on as they did before and after Jesus, then what possible meaning can his crucifixion have?

I remember the stern catechism question: Does the redemption mean all will be saved?

And the sharp reply:

NO! We must each work WITH Christ for our salvation. In other words we have to be good to get to paradise. It was ever so.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

QUESTION What does "Chrst died for our sins" mean?


♦ANSWER It means that Christ's death provided the basis by which God can legitimately cover over the Adamic sin of faithful humans and eliminate its effects

MATTHEW 20:28


... just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.� - NIV

ROMANS 5:19

For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one person many will be made righteous� - NIV

If we think of sin being like a debt, Jesus gave up his life (sacrificially died) to pay the "debt" of Adamic sin incurred on all humans by our forefather, Adam when he disobeyed God in the garden of Eden. It is this sin that is ultimately the reason all humans grow old and die. Because of Christ death, God will remove sicknesses, cancers, inherited diseases ect as well as old age and death so all faithful humans will one day soon be able to live forever without experiencjng such things.

In short Jesus died so we won't have to.



JW







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[marco]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

QUESTION What does "Chrst died for our sins" mean?

This expression reflects the idea found in many "New Testament " passages, including those that report Jesus own words

MATTHEW 20:28


... just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.� - NIV

This isn't an answer, JW, but a repetition of the mysterious statement. We are no closer to understaning how Christ died for our sins. In what way does a child sinning relate to Christ's death?

When asked how Jesus died for our sins, we might as well simply say: "He just did. Don't ask."

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 4 by marco]

Please see edit - I'm still working to try and explain it in the simplest way possible.


JW

[Tcg]

If we think of sin being like a debt, Jesus gave up his life (sacrificially died) to pay the "debt" of Adamic sin incurred on all humans by our forefather, Adam when he disobeyed God in the garden of Eden.

This is like blaming me, or anyone else for that matter, for Humpty Dumpty's fall.




No one needs to pay for the calamity mythological characters face.





Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

No one needs to pay for the calamity mythological characters face.

How is this comment relevant to the OP? My understanding is the question is what do the words in question mean not whether they refer to a mythical character or whether one believes the implied meaning or not.

I will stand corrected but the OP seemed to be inquiring what the writer was trying to communicate.



JW

[Willum]

Let's apply some logic:

1. If we don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing.
2. If sin is a debt, it is one created by an extortionist, who has basically stated human nature generates a debt that you must pay...

3. Sin, if it weren't an imaginary concept design to summon a god into existence, is something that defines who we are, otherwise.

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to post 2 by marco]

It somehow suggests we have a licence to kill, since Christ made it so for us.

Here, you seem to be suggesting that, we all as humans are evil, and really want to carry out evil, but somehow, many of us are restrained from this evil, and if the restraints were taken away, we would all naturally be looking to kill others?

I guess my question to you would be, if you were to somehow discover you did indeed have a license to do evil, would this cause you to do evil? Do you walk around really wanting to do evil to others, and are only restrained by some sort of moral code?

If not, then why would you assume that Christians would have the attitude they had, "a license to kill" since Jesus died for their sins?

[marco]

If we think of sin being like a debt, Jesus gave up his life (sacrificially died) to pay the "debt" of Adamic sin incurred on all humans by our forefather, Adam when he disobeyed God in the garden of Eden.

The theology here, if we accept there was an Adam in a Garden of Sin, would make God into a sadistic monster, bringing cancers and old age, sickness and death into the world. No, it wasn't the character Adam who did this- he had no power to. The evils were God's doing. If repentance is required it is from the author of the evils. Mankind has nothing to be sorry for and has no guilt. Had God placed Mother Teresa in Adam's garden, the oucome might have been different. So, bad choice!


It is utterly inconceivable that somebody from the 1st century happened along, got himself crucified and this stands as a free meal ticket for humanity. Why would anyone believe this?

In short Jesus died so we won't have to.

But we do! Death is a reality; theology a form of words. The death that Christ suffered is the same death all humans have suffered and will suffer. Christ changed nothing.