Was Jesus crucified on the Passover, of earlier?

[polonius]

The question is whether the Sabbath which came the next day was a Saturday Sabbath or the Passover Sabbath or both. I believe that all the evidence is unanimous that Jesus was crucufied on the day before the Passover. Matthew confirms this, as in Matthew 27:62 he says that the day after the crucifixion was the "one after Preparation Day" (ie preparation day for the Passover.

And John has no Eucharist account at the last supper.

[brianbbs67]

This is what I have come to believe of the 2 Sabbaths of the passion week. Fixes the whole debate.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

Well yes and no. Nisan 15 (the fist day of the festival of loaves) was considered a Sabbath (no matter what day of the week it fell on see Lev. 23:4). So of course there would have been years when there were 2 Sabbath same week* (ie the regular weekly sabbath and the festival sabbath).

In the year Jesus died though it seems this was not the case.


JW

* Other festival days were also considered Sabbaths.

What year did he die? It wasn't 33ad.

Why do you say that?

Because of the verse stating "it was a high Holy day"

[brianbbs67]

This is what I have come to believe of the 2 Sabbaths of the passion week. Fixes the whole debate.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

Well yes and no. Nisan 15 (the fist day of the festival of loaves) was considered a Sabbath (no matter what day of the week it fell on see Lev. 23:4). So of course there would have been years when there were 2 Sabbath same week* (ie the regular weekly sabbath and the festival sabbath).

In the year Jesus died though it seems this was not the case.


JW

* Other festival days were also considered Sabbaths.

QUESTION: How do you know precisely the year that Jesus died? Please provide your reference.

I don't know if I can precisely know it. But using the evidence available from scripture and history, it would seem to be 31 AD.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

http://intercontinentalcog.org/Appendix ... -34_AD.php

The conjunction would have been April 11, 31ad. That is what they looked for to establish the month. Could I be wrong, sure been there done that. But, this does align things Jesus, nicely. Its a bonus to me its my daughters birthday.

You have to have a high Holy day before the Sabbath as scripture says and it seem to have to be in a ten year period as you have noted. 31 ad fits all that.

[JehovahsWitness]

I don't know if I can precisely know it. But using the evidence available from scripture and history, it would seem to be 31 AD.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

http://intercontinentalcog.org/Appendix ... -34_AD.php

You have to have a high Holy day before the Sabbath as scripture says and it seem to have to be in a ten year period as you have noted. 31 ad fits all that.

In the he first link you provided the conclusions are based on two false or at least unproven premises : firstly a misunderstanding what John meant as a "great ( or high) Sabbath" . Biblically a "high sabbath" (or great sabbath) wasnt simply the first day of the Festival but when the festival coincided with the regular weekly sabbath. And secondly that Jesus comment about "three days and three nights" meant literally 72 hours which probably not the case (See Mat 17:23)
http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

I dont understand how the information in the 2nd link is calculated. It seems to be counting 24rs from midnight to midnight (which is confusing since counting that way could be a day out of since with Jewish days) and the headings refer to the visible new moon but doesn't refer to location (Greenwich or Jerusalem). And does the chart incorporate the rabbinical adjustments that were made in ancient times before standardization of counting?
http://intercontinentalcog.org/Appendix ... -34_AD.php

[Sojournerofthearth]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius]

As has been stated earlier, Passover began at sunset, between the two evenings, on the night of the 14th. The larger part of the Jews, began to combine the Holy Day, called The Night to be Much Observed and the Passover, Christ and His disciples observed Passover on the night of the 14th, and he was killed at 3 O'clock at the precise time the Jews began killing their lambs for their revised Passover, a spear was thrust into the side of Jesus and he died. This would have been a Wednesday. Prior to Sunset, all the dead had to be buried, so by the time they got him down, sought permission to take the body, and got him in the tomb, it likely would have been a push to get it all done before Sunset.

At sunset, the Night to be much observed began, what the Jews had begun to call Passover. It was a High Sabbath, or a Holy Day. This is day one.

At sunset the following evening, the women bought spices to embalm the body and spent the Preparation Day getting that ready and to prepare for the Sabbath. This is Day Two.

At Sunset, it was the Sabbath and they observed the second of 2 Sabbaths. This was on Saturday. Just before Sunset, after 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth, Jesus was resurrected, just as the High Priest began the Wave Sheaf ceremony, where the stalk of Grain was Cut loose from the Earth and Lifted up. Later that same day, he ascended to His Father to present His own blood as an Atonement for Mankind.

Very Early in the morning, on the 4th day, the women came to the tomb and observed the Angels sitting on the rock rolled from the now open sepulchre, who explained Christ had already risen.

3 days and 3 nights in the grave, else there is no Messiah. It was the only sign he gave to the skeptics, proving who he was.

Soj

[rstrats]

Sojournerofthearth,
re: "...a spear was thrust into the side of Jesus and he died. This would have been a Wednesday."

How do you reconcile a 4th day of the week death with Luke 24:21?

[Checkpoint]

Sojournerofthearth,
re: "...a spear was thrust into the side of Jesus and he died. This would have been a Wednesday."

How do you reconcile a 4th day of the week death with Luke 24:21?

He died on Wednesday before sunset, and rose on the Sabbath, before Sunday began at sunset.

Three days and three nights, just as he said; Matthew 12:40.

[JehovahsWitness]

Sojournerofthearth,
re: "...a spear was thrust into the side of Jesus and he died. This would have been a Wednesday."

How do you reconcile a 4th day of the week death with Luke 24:21?

He died on Wednesday before sunset, and rose on the Sabbath, before Sunday began at sunset.

Three days and three nights, just as he said; Matthew 12:40.

Are you suggesting Jesus was dead three nights? If so how could he be resurrected on the third day as predicted? Wouldnt the third night take him into the 4th day?




JW

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 37 by JehovahsWitness]

Not from wednesday. Wed night, thurs night Friday night, then twilight....

[Checkpoint]

Sojournerofthearth,
re: "...a spear was thrust into the side of Jesus and he died. This would have been a Wednesday."

How do you reconcile a 4th day of the week death with Luke 24:21?

He died on Wednesday before sunset, and rose on the Sabbath, before Sunday began at sunset.

Three days and three nights, just as he said; Matthew 12:40.

Are you suggesting Jesus was dead three nights? If so how could he be resurrected on the third day as predicted? Wouldnt the third night take him into the 4th day?

JW

No, the third night would take him into the third daylight, not the fourth.

God's days, not ours; not from midnight to midnight, but from sunset to sunset.

[JehovahsWitness]

He died on Wednesday before sunset, and rose on the Sabbath, before Sunday began at sunset.
Three days and three nights, just as he said; Matthew 12:40.

No, the third night would take him into the third daylight, not the fourth.

When you say he died on Wednesday that would be in the afternoon yes?

(Wed) 3pm {1st day dead} ---> [sunset] {end of first day} {beginning of 2nd day Thurs} NIGHT#1 //MORNING

(Thur) 3pm {2nd day dead } ---> [sunset] {end of second day} {beginning of 3rd day Fri} NIGHT#2//MORNING

(Friday) 3pm {3rd day risen} ---> [sunset] {end of third day} {beginning of 4th day} NIGHT#3//MORNING

How do you get the third night (darkness) and still be raisen on the third day?


JW