The Most Evil God

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:42 pm

Is the biblical Jehovah the most EVIL god ever imagined ?

Post by **Tcg** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:14 pm

Willum wrote: [Replying to post 48 by Tcg]

Slight amendment noting that the Bible states 'Jews' may be kept as slaves, just not long-term.

In that case, they are to be treated differently than slaves and as you say, not permanently:

Leviticus 25:39 If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee."

This too points to favoritism, not equality based on righteousness.

Tcg

Bust Nak · Post by **Bust Nak** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:31 pm

1213 wrote: Hardening did happen, when God ended the plagues. But, it is not same as limiting freewill.

No? The text says God hardened Pharaoh's heart. It's not passive wording, God did that, not Pharaoh. God hardening it isn't the same as limiting freewill?

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:16 am

1213 wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
Then why are you even entertaining the idea that the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh?
Hardening did happen, when God ended the plagues. But, it is not same as limiting freewill.

According to the text, the pharaoh was ready to capitulate but God hardened his heart so that he changed his mind and the plagues continued. The ultimate plague was the killing all of the first born of Egypt which included both humans and livestock. That is pure evil as far as I am concerned. This episode along with the torture of Job and the drowning of humanity in the great flood all point to God being an evil and merciless character.

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:04 am

brunumb wrote:
1213 wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
Then why are you even entertaining the idea that the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh?
Hardening did happen, when God ended the plagues. But, it is not same as limiting freewill.
According to the text, the pharaoh was ready to capitulate but God hardened his heart so that he changed his mind and the plagues continued. The ultimate plague was the killing all of the first born of Egypt which included both humans and livestock. That is pure evil as far as I am concerned. This episode along with the torture of Job and the drowning of humanity in the great flood all point to God being an evil and merciless character.

Given that not a soul ever demonstrates that the biblical Jehovah is anything more than imaginary

We may understand that the evil deeds of the genocidal Jehovah are the evil imaginings of the men who wrote what we have determined in this forum is:

a) propaganda

b) myth

c) fantasy fiction

d) historical fiction.

And we have determined in this forum that the biblical Jehovah is the most genocidal god ever imagined.

And we have determined in this forum that more evidence is offered for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster than there is for the existence of Jehovah.

And we have determined in this forum that the biblical Jehovah is NOT God with a capital G.

But we have NOT looked at other imagined gods to see if the writers of their "scriptures" have imagined gods more evil than the imaginary Jehovah.

Could ANY god POSSIBLY be worse than Jehovah ?

Clownboat · Post by **Clownboat** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:47 am

SallyF wrote:
brunumb wrote:
1213 wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
Then why are you even entertaining the idea that the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh?
Hardening did happen, when God ended the plagues. But, it is not same as limiting freewill.
According to the text, the pharaoh was ready to capitulate but God hardened his heart so that he changed his mind and the plagues continued. The ultimate plague was the killing all of the first born of Egypt which included both humans and livestock. That is pure evil as far as I am concerned. This episode along with the torture of Job and the drowning of humanity in the great flood all point to God being an evil and merciless character.

Given that not a soul ever demonstrates that the biblical Jehovah is anything more than imaginary

We may understand that the evil deeds of the genocidal Jehovah are the evil imaginings of the men who wrote what we have determined in this forum is:

a) propaganda

b) myth

c) fantasy fiction

d) historical fiction.

And we have determined in this forum that the biblical Jehovah is the most genocidal god ever imagined.

And we have determined in this forum that more evidence is offered for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster than there is for the existence of Jehovah.

And we have determined in this forum that the biblical Jehovah is NOT God with a capital G.

But we have NOT looked at other imagined gods to see if the writers of their "scriptures" have imagined gods more evil than the imaginary Jehovah.

Could ANY god POSSIBLY be worse than Jehovah ?

It is possible that some of the god concepts of ancient history that are now more or less lost to us were more evil than the Jehovah god concept.
We know of a lot of these ancient god concepts, but not necessarily a lot of details about them for us to realistically compare evilness.

Of the known god concepts, I cannot think of one that has committed greater evil then Jehovah, but it is possible that Jehovah is not the most evil one ever imagined.

Fear is a great motivator as we know.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:51 pm

Tcg wrote:
In both of these examples we see that favoritism is the guiding factor, not righteousness.

Sorry, I disagree with you. it was possible for others to also become a Jew and have the same rights.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:51 pm

Willum wrote: Isn't forgiving evil, in many and most cases, evil?
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Sorry, I disagree with that. Forgiving is not evil, because it is not same as accepting evil things. But, it seems to me that evil is also very subjective word. Apparently evil means to you something else than for me. Could you explain why forgiving is evil?

1213 · Post by **1213** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:51 pm

Bust Nak wrote:
1213 wrote: Hardening did happen, when God ended the plagues. But, it is not same as limiting freewill.
No? The text says God hardened Pharaoh's heart. It's not passive wording, God did that, not Pharaoh. God hardening it isn't the same as limiting freewill?

When the hardening happened by ending plagues, or by telling that pharaoh must free Jews, I think that is not bad.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:52 pm

brunumb wrote: According to the text, the pharaoh was ready to capitulate but God hardened his heart so that he changed his mind and the plagues continued.

That the plague ended, hardened pharaohs heart. When things were well, pharaoh thought that he would keep the slaves.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:53 pm

SallyF wrote: And we have determined in this forum that more evidence is offered for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster than there is for the existence of Jehovah.

And we have

Interesting that you are speaking of your self in plural. Sorry, you offer nothing to support that belief of yours.