The federal government's response to COVID-19

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To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?

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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?
I my opinion the federal government is 100% responsible. Especially in terms of intelligent leadership. They aren't necessarily responsible for the precise outcome. But they are responsible for how they conduct leadership through it.
bjs wrote: Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
I live in the USA and I would say that the Trump administration has not provided effective, wise, or clear leadership. To the contrary I see the administration as having behaved extremely political and even divisive.

I see the role of the President of the "United" States of America to Unite the states in collective cooperation for the entire nation. What I have seen instead is a President who has created a "Divided" states of America. In fact, I see the state governors as basically cooperating with each other in a united fashion in spite of the devise lack of leadership on the Federal level.

There is no question in my mind that ANY of our previous modern presidents would have been far more uniting at this time rather than being divisive. From Bush Sr. to Clinton, to Bush Jr., to Obama. Any one of those presidents would have done a far better job that our current administration. I have no doubt about that whatsoever.

Those presidents would have brought the country together. Our current president is playing political divisiveness.

I think just about anyone would have done a better job that our current president.

I think it should be obvious to anyone who has been watching that President Trump as serious ego problems. I personally consider him to be genuinely mentally ill in this regard. I simply don't see how any sane person could behave as immaturely as he behaves on a daily basis.

His narcissism is a serious problem and threat to the national security of the USA as well as to our very system of democracy.

I think he's also on the brink of making things far worse by inciting people to do like they are currently doing in Michigan. He's filled those people's mind with very bad ideas that we should just ignore the thread of Covid-19 and just return to work like as if there is no threat.

Many of the the people who were protesting didn't even bother to wear masks or maintain social distancing.

I personally believe, quite unfortunately, that many Americans may actually behave this stupidly. Things could really get bad in the USA if people continue to behave this poorly. And I think it's fair to say that a lot of this type of behavior is being incited by Trump's rhetoric.

I think the USA is in for a big problem is people start to ignore the social distancing and social isolation behaviors. And our president is actually inciting this mentality.

So this is definitely not good.

We'll have to see how this all unfolds over the summer. It might be that our only hope is that the virus does indeed become ineffective when the weather warms up. But there's no reason to think that's necessarily going to happen. That would just be a stroke of dumb luck if it did happen.
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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
In the US, there has been some inconsistencies in the president's plan. The president also underreacted which cause some delays in testing and response. However, with all that said, even if he was on top of everything, that would not have completely prevented this virus.

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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
There has been mixed results. The stay-at-home policy is receiving pushback as some are suing their governors and starting protest. Here's a source on one lawsuit and protest:
Reuters


In my view, if more start protesting and resorting to lawsuits over stay-at-home orders, esp. when there are things that can be done to ease the restrictions (like isolating only HIGH risk population), then this can turn ugly. And for now I think Democrats will get more of the blame because they tend to have tougher stay-at-home measures than Republican governors.

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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?
Congratulations to the White House Messiah for shifting the blame to the state governors and accelerating the national death toll to over 37,000 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and reinforcing the necessity of a well regulated militia for the security of a free State and proudly bragging about increasing the TOTAL DEBT to GDP ratio to 128.54% and predicting that it will rise to 203.12% by 2024 if he is re-elected for keeping his eye on the ball and his wallet. https://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html https://www.usdebtclock.org/current-rates.html ;) ;) ;)
Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
At least we can be thankful that our elected officials have managed to keep our national death toll to only 65 so far. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... australia/

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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
What the governors need to do is clearly state what is the goalpost. It can't be getting the virus numbers down to zero because we haven't been able to get the flu down to zero cases and that's with vaccines. It can't be to wait for a vaccine because we can't afford to keep our economy shut down for a year.

In my view, the goalpost should not be centered on the rate of infection since the majority who get it will experience MILD symptoms. We don't worry about people getting the cold or flu or we certainly don't shut down because of it. The goal should be keeping the virus away from those who are high risk for severe symptoms from covid-19.

If you don't set a clear goalpost, then it will go through endless shifts and no one will be held accountable.

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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
WOW!!! Now the White House buffoon suggests that injecting disinfectant might reduce the number of deaths from reaching 100,000. Perhaps he should use a nasal spray to shut him up as the unemployment rate passes 20% and the TOTAL DEBT to GDP ratio rockets past 120%

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bjs wrote: To what degree is the federal government responsible for the current crisis people are facing?

Have elected federal officials in your nation provided effective, wise and clear leadership during this pandemic?
WOW!!!
Now the White House Buffoon suggests that injections of disinfectant may stop the number of deaths from hitting 100,000 before Christmas. Perhaps he should give himself a nasal spray of disinfectant to shut him up from bragging about the unemployment rate passing 20% and the TOTAL DEBT to GDP ratio rocketing passed 130% to over 200% by 2024 when the 538 voters re-elect him.
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mitty wrote: Now the White House Buffoon
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