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For debate:JehovahsWitness wrote: From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.
William: General rule of thumb for me is that I don't place much stock in what non-theists have to say when they interpret theist script. This is especially so when they make such statements without providing anything to back it up with.The term 'last days' refers to everyone, the last days of all humans on Earth. It does not refer to the last days of any individual.
Or do you have a biblical reference that suggests another meaning?
William: What reference was that which you assume otseng was making? I myself was commenting on what you wrote in reply to Overcomer....At least I assume Otseng's reference was to the apocalypse.
William: Apocalypse means to reveal.a·poc·a·lypse
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noun: Apocalypse; noun: the Apocalypse; noun: apocalypse; plural noun: apocalypses
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the complete final destruction of the world, as described in the biblical book of Revelation.
William: Undoubtedly.The rest of your post was for me, incomprehensible. I was unable to find within it a single fact established, or even a faint strain of logic. The fault is mine.
William: Sure. What was it that you didn't understand. I will try to reword it for you.Please explain what you were trying to say.
This may explain your conclusions. If you don't use actual analysis based on facts, but instead consider what you think someone's philosophy is. Such an approach guarantees you will not follow truth, but prejudice. If a theist believes in the truth of some 'scripture,' and believes those words come from God, then the words are sacrosanct, regardless of who interprets them. You are apparently claiming that only a 'believer' can properly interpret those words. This is a confession of bigotry.William wrote: [Replying to post 110 by Danmark]
William: General rule of thumb for me is that I don't place much stock in what non-theists have to say when they interpret theist script. This is especially so when they make such statements without providing anything to back it up with.The term 'last days' refers to everyone, the last days of all humans on Earth. It does not refer to the last days of any individual.
That could be a two-way street, but either way all it does is admit to confirmation bias.General rule of thumb for me is that I don't place much stock in what non-theists have to say when they interpret theist script.
Yes, the rich can decrease the risk of dying from covid-19, but they are not immune from the collapse of their financial assets and devaluation of their currency. I suspect social unrest from the masses against the rich will also come soon.Danmark wrote:With money, you can live alone on a boat, and hire people to bring supplies, put them in your dingy, leave, then you can sanitize the supplies, all while remaining at anchor.
Simply being retired or with sufficient resources that you do not have to work, is a huge advantage. While no place is absolutely safe, we are talking about degrees of risk.
And the only "evidence" they've provided is we haven't had the last days yet.William wrote: William: General rule of thumb for me is that I don't place much stock in what non-theists have to say when they interpret theist script. This is especially so when they make such statements without providing anything to back it up with.
... just like the Bible predicted.otseng wrote:
.... their argument is not very convincing, especially given that we see events occurring that has never happened before in the history of the world (a global lockdown, synchronized falling assets, negative interest rates, negative oil prices, etc).
This seems to be a gross mischaracterization of the situation. The very clear argument has been advanced frequently on this forum and in this thread (for example in post #79) that the biblical canon not only lacks credibility but is demonstrably wrong in the predictions of the future contained therein; and on a related note that all the intepretive gymnastics and apologetic contortions folk must go through in an effort to salvage the credibility of those texts (in their own mind if nothing else), by making the 'prophecies' say whatever one wants them to say, render any other predictions or claims of fulfillment essentially meaningless.otseng wrote: And the only "evidence" they've provided is we haven't had the last days yet.
We shall see if those events will start to come. If so, would you then believe?Danmark wrote:... just like the Bible predicted.otseng wrote:
.... their argument is not very convincing, especially given that we see events occurring that has never happened before in the history of the world (a global lockdown, synchronized falling assets, negative interest rates, negative oil prices, etc).
I remember something about earthquakes and mountains falling, but I missed gas prices and negative interest rates.
We'll see if these are the Biblical last days in the upcoming future. For now, I'm convinced it's the last days of America as a great nation and the last days of many global structures. As evidence mounts, I'm getting more convinced it will be the Biblical last days as well.
