If you belive God create it, then God at least does nothing to stop it. Is God killing many humans again to be spiteful? To teach us a lesson? Just because he can?
OR
IS God testing us to make sure we still have faith as he kills your parents, spouse or kids?
Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #121In reasoned debate, it is the responsibility of the person making the claims to support those claims. Given that you suggest support is easy to find, I look forward to your presentation of that support.
As a reminder, here are the unsupported assertions you'll need to provide support for:
- God did not create this virus. - Unsupported assertion #1
This virus was created by science. - Unsupported assertion #2
The science was funded by the West. - Unsupported assertion #3
This virus will make mankind realize the folly of having science without religion. - Unsupported assertion #4
Science by itself is guideless. - Unsupported assertion #5
Materialism is the greatest evil. - Unsupported assertion #6
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #122I did not offer anything to debate so I do not have to support anything to your standards. I posted a link it is your choice to use it. www.Google.comTcg wrote:In reasoned debate, it is the responsibility of the person making the claims to support those claims. Given that you suggest support is easy to find, I look forward to your presentation of that support.
As a reminder, here are the unsupported assertions you'll need to provide support for:Tcg
- God did not create this virus. - Unsupported assertion #1
This virus was created by science. - Unsupported assertion #2
The science was funded by the West. - Unsupported assertion #3
This virus will make mankind realize the folly of having science without religion. - Unsupported assertion #4
Science by itself is guideless. - Unsupported assertion #5
Materialism is the greatest evil. - Unsupported assertion #6
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #123As you have now admitted, you didn't post insight, you posted opinions. As you have also shown, opinions "should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim."Swami wrote:
I did not offer anything to debate so I do not have to support anything to your standards. I posted a link it is your choice to use it. www.Google.com
"Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim. "
I should be able to post all of the insight that I want.
I don't need to use your link to Google to find out that all you've posted is a series of unsupported opinions. You've admitted as much right here.
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #124As you have admitted, you've offered unsupported opinions.Swami wrote:I offer my insight for the benefit of everyone. Before you try to challenge it, give yourself a chance to see if you really disagree with it. Going straight into attack mode is for bullies.Tcg wrote:As you have now admitted, you didn't post insight, you posted opinions. As you have also shown, opinions "should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim."Swami wrote:
I did not offer anything to debate so I do not have to support anything to your standards. I posted a link it is your choice to use it. www.Google.com
"Opinions require no support, but they should not be considered as valid to any argument, nor will they be considered as legitimate support for any claim. "
I should be able to post all of the insight that I want.
I don't need to use your link to Google to find out that all you've posted is a series of unsupported opinions. You've admitted as much right here.
Tcg
I haven't gone into "attack mode." I asked you to support the claims you have made. In spite of the fact that you suggested support should be one simple click away, you've provided none. Are we to assume support for your claims isn't as easy to find as you suggest?
Asking for support is not bullying. It's standard procedure where none is offered. Is this accusation being used to muddy the waters here and deflect attention from the fact that what you claim is easy to find has not been presented?
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #125[Replying to post 123 by Tcg]
Conspiracy theorist and wooists are a dime a dozen on the internet where they can share their feeling of smug superiority to the consensus. They don't have any evidence and the only support they have is each other.I don't need to use your link to Google to find out that all you've posted is a series of unsupported opinions.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
The Dietary Laws
Post #126God's dietary and cleanliness laws were always there to prevent the wet markets from existing.
The lawless ones decided laws are not necessary anymore when you replace them with an idol and worship of that idol.
So the better question is what Abraham asked the lady purchaser of idols at his shop:
Oral tradition on Abraham's idol shop realization talks of a woman visiting his shop to buy an idol, because some thieves stole her other one and she needed a replacement to protect her house.
Abraham said these words of wisdom in reply:"Is it not foolish to think that an idol that could not save itself, will save you?"
Take these words of Abraham and place them on the idol Jesus and this situational question. Is it not foolish to think Jesus an image of a man who couldn't save himself, his friends the apostles, and followers then and now could somehow save people from covid-19, whether his follower or not, by affiliation or not, bowing to his statue, or saying his made up name over and over like some beetle juice character?
The lawless ones decided laws are not necessary anymore when you replace them with an idol and worship of that idol.
So the better question is what Abraham asked the lady purchaser of idols at his shop:
Oral tradition on Abraham's idol shop realization talks of a woman visiting his shop to buy an idol, because some thieves stole her other one and she needed a replacement to protect her house.
Abraham said these words of wisdom in reply:"Is it not foolish to think that an idol that could not save itself, will save you?"
Take these words of Abraham and place them on the idol Jesus and this situational question. Is it not foolish to think Jesus an image of a man who couldn't save himself, his friends the apostles, and followers then and now could somehow save people from covid-19, whether his follower or not, by affiliation or not, bowing to his statue, or saying his made up name over and over like some beetle juice character?
Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #127[Replying to post 120 by Swami]
According to the WEB:
God is dead.
All men from India are child rapists.
The Pope is a woman.
The only intelligent race is the white race.
All blaxks are racists.
So, do you belive everything on the WEB???
According to the WEB:
God is dead.
All men from India are child rapists.
The Pope is a woman.
The only intelligent race is the white race.
All blaxks are racists.
So, do you belive everything on the WEB???
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #128I don't believe in blaxks.Donray wrote: [Replying to post 120 by Swami]
According to the WEB:
God is dead.
All men from India are child rapists.
The Pope is a woman.
The only intelligent race is the white race.
All blaxks are racists.
So, do you belive everything on the WEB???
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Re: Why did God create Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
Post #129[Replying to post 115 by Swami]
Science has no ability to create a virus from "scratch", regardless of where the funding comes from. But we can engineer existing viruses to change their genetic makeup. Assuming that is what you meant, it has been shown that SARS-CoV-2 was not the result of such laboratory genetic engineering:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... sis-nature
I expect someone said something similar during the Black Plague, the Spanish Flu, and every other pandemic or similar disaster. This is a novel virus for which humans have no natural immunity or vaccine, it is highly contagious and spreading rapidly, and has shown itself to be deadly in a sufficient number of cases to seriously scare people, and case numbers continue to rise despite the rate of new cases slowing down in most places.
The response has nothing to do with religion, or science carrying on without religion (which will hopefully continue forever). It is the probability of serious sickness or death for a non-trivial segment of the population either directly (elderly, comorbidity), or for their family members, co-workers, etc. No amount of praying or other types of wishing and hoping will improve the situation. Science is the only chance of a vaccine or therapuetic treatment, and while that process plays out we have to practice mitigation efforts to minimize the damage and buy time.
This virus was created by science.
Science has no ability to create a virus from "scratch", regardless of where the funding comes from. But we can engineer existing viruses to change their genetic makeup. Assuming that is what you meant, it has been shown that SARS-CoV-2 was not the result of such laboratory genetic engineering:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... sis-nature
This virus will make mankind realize the folly of having science without religion.
I expect someone said something similar during the Black Plague, the Spanish Flu, and every other pandemic or similar disaster. This is a novel virus for which humans have no natural immunity or vaccine, it is highly contagious and spreading rapidly, and has shown itself to be deadly in a sufficient number of cases to seriously scare people, and case numbers continue to rise despite the rate of new cases slowing down in most places.
The response has nothing to do with religion, or science carrying on without religion (which will hopefully continue forever). It is the probability of serious sickness or death for a non-trivial segment of the population either directly (elderly, comorbidity), or for their family members, co-workers, etc. No amount of praying or other types of wishing and hoping will improve the situation. Science is the only chance of a vaccine or therapuetic treatment, and while that process plays out we have to practice mitigation efforts to minimize the damage and buy time.
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Post #130Jesus tells in the Bible that he can’t do the things without God. So, it would really be foolish to claim otherwise.HaShev wrote: ... Is it not foolish to think Jesus an image of a man who couldn't save himself, his friends the apostles, and followers then and now could somehow save people from covid-19, whether his follower or not, by affiliation or not, bowing to his statue, or saying his made up name over and over like some beetle juice character?
I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous; because I don't seek my own will, but the will of my Father who sent me.
John 5:30
"Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise. For the Father has affection for the Son, and shows him all things that he himself does. He will show him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom he desires.
John 5:19-21
It was God who raised Jesus and with God’s power Jesus and his disciples can do things that they would not otherwise do.
But if the Spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Romans 8:11
…I spoke not from myself, but the Father who sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. I know that his commandment is eternal life. The things therefore which I speak, even as the Father has said to me, so I speak."
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