You can't prove God doesn't exist... more on the subject

[Willum]

"You can't prove God doesn't exist." is a frequent claim of theists.

It is not correct, we can and do prove things don't exist all the time, the standard is an academic one, not a de facto one, but that is not the topic.

The topic is to have the statement contested practically.

Is there anything you can do or say that invokes any relevance by god? Is there anything that can be done that has an God-related effect?
God doesn't stop murders, even genocides.
Nothing one has ever done have been observed to cause God to react, or respond in any way.

If he is perfectly irrelevant, then, he is perfectly irrelevant, yes?
If he does not interfere, he is useless.
A functional equivalent of not existing?

So if this is true, even if he does exist, why should we care?
He does his stuff, we do ours, and never the twain shall meet.

[Thomas123]

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Murder is unlawful killing and never accepted in the Bible.

Thus, murder is defined by laws having jurisdiction in the case.

Unlawful: against the law; illegal

Law: a rule, usually made by a government, that is used to order the way in which a society behaves
https://www.yourdictionary.com/unlawful

If the law allows wholesale killing of Jews (as in Germany 1940s), it is not murder. Correct?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... en%2F11458#

Your line of interrogation of 1213 here ,seems very severe. 1213 simply stated that the death penalty had been allowed in the Bible in some cases.

[Zzyzx]

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Murder is unlawful killing and never accepted in the Bible.

Thus, murder is defined by laws having jurisdiction in the case.

Unlawful: against the law; illegal

Law: a rule, usually made by a government, that is used to order the way in which a society behaves
https://www.yourdictionary.com/unlawful

If the law allows wholesale killing of Jews (as in Germany 1940s), it is not murder. Correct?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... en%2F11458#

Your line of interrogation of 1213 here ,seems very severe.

It is intentionally so.

1213 simply stated that the death penalty had been allowed in the Bible in some cases.

Correction: 1213 states that murder is 'unlawful killing', that DOES refer to law as defined. Law and Bible are not synonymous.

[Thomas123]

You misrepresent the submission, Zzyzx. 1213 is referring to the Biblical law, of that books narrative, ...1213 asks Where in the Bible...

Not German Law, US Law, China Law, N Korean Law....

It is you , Zzyzx, who makes that jump! Here is the submission.

1213
Please show the scripture that tells rape is permissible?
Murder is unlawful killing and never accepted in the Bible. Death penalty is not same as murder and it has been allowed in some cases.

[Zzyzx]

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You misrepresent the submission, Zzyzx. 1213 is referring to the Biblical law, of that books narrative, ...1213 asks Where in the Bible...

Where in the Bible is to be found law that prescribes what killing is unlawful?

[marco]

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God doesn't stop murders, even genocides.
Nothing one has ever done have been observed to cause God to react, or respond in any way....

How do you know that?

Nothing has been observed. Read as many history books as you want and you will find no mention of someone observing the actions of God. Holy books attribute things to God but that is just interpretation. For example if a man is struck by lightning some will say it is God's punishment - but that is mere speculation. God is alleged to have helped Muhammad at the Battle of Badr by getting birds to drop rocks on the enemy. Perfectly possible I suppose, but again it is an interpretation. If birds did indeed drop stones, their abnormal behaviour may not have been caused by God at all.

So the statement: no one has observed is a good one - though many have ALLEGED.

[Thomas123]

[Replying to post 14 by Zzyzx]

Zzyzx; Where in the Bible is to be found law that prescribes what killing is unlawful

Exodus 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

..among many others, what is your point, and how does it justify your ,over the top, interrogation of 1213's inoffensive submission?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 15 by marco]

This is an excellent point, I examined a bit, and to answer the rather questionable question of whether or not God stopped any murders or rapes, we can look to the Bible.

I can find no precedents where God prevented such a deed.

Of course, maybe I am wrong.

[Thomas123]

Genesis 9

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

This is the postdiluvian Noah pact , where an attempt is made to consider matters that are relevant to this discussion. My deduction here is that the creator God Yahweh is by default, pro life. No surprise there! Within this is the central premise of life being completely precious and of God. God's will is for life to thrive.
The killing of anything, human or animal is to be a considered human act that remains within this fundamental understanding of God! Our lives are ultimately belonging to God. On such an understanding does Biblical Hebrew Law proceed. imho

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 15 by marco]

God is alleged to have helped Muhammad at the Battle of Badr by getting birds to drop rocks on the enemy.

It would appear that God gets his inspiration from Monty Python. Or perhaps some of the contributors to those early holy books were frustrated comedy sketch writers.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 18 by Thomas123]

And yet, those are only your deities words, lies, as far as an objective observer of the religious work is concerned.

Is there anywhere in the book where the deity prevents a murder that he did not himself inspire?