Yahweh

[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

[William]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

William: The idea that The LORD was an imaginary creation of human beings snuggled around their Firesides, spinning Yarns - did pop into my head once upon a time - and since then I have been keeping an eye on the subject.

I think some aspects of the Yarns did more to hide The LORD then reveal The LORD. which made The LORD appear to be a man-made invention. This played well into the hands of - not unexpectedly - the Story-Tellers, who's words spelled out an intoxicating elixir on the minds of the unwary fascinated.

However, one might be able to hide The LORD, but The LORD hasn't gone anywhere...those who seek do find...once they understand what it is they need be looking for.

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[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

Over 300 views now.


And still not a peep that the very foundation of the biblical "God" notion is ANYTHING more than imaginary


You know


Make-believe.


Just a shred of evidence


And these arguments against Christianity would evaporate.

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 20 by 1213]

I believe Bible God is real, because Bible has information that I dont think people could have, without God.

I can't think of anything in the Bible that requires more than human creativity to produce. No God necessary. Could you please provide at least a couple of examples of information in the Bible which you believe could only have come about through the intervention of God.

[Clownboat]

Can anything be show to be anything more than human imagination?

Yes. A swift kick to the hind quarters for one. ...

It could still be only human imagination.

Not in my example. Come to me and I will 'show' you a kick to the hind quarters and 'show' that it is not coming from your imagination.

I could 'show' you over and over and over again until you are convinced if needed. So it remains a fact that some things can be shown to be more than imagination.

Anything can be called just human imagination. That is why I cant show anything to be more than human imagination. Even if God would be right in front of view, you could call Him just human imagination.

This statement is not accurate about me.
I believed with all my heart in a god for 2 decades, so I'm capable. Therefore, if a God were to be right in front of my view, I would not call it human imagination. I would want to know the desires of this God being that is in my view.

However, best I can tell is that all religious people with there different god concepts are all just imagining that their god is real. I'm open to being shown otherwise.

I believe Bible God is real, because Bible has information that I dont think people could have, without God. Also, that people cant show any contradiction in the Bible, despite claiming so, tells to me it is not human imagination. But unfortunately, it is not enough for all. Luckily, I dont think it is absolutely necessary to know God is real.

I don't agree with the first parts of this, but will not derail.
To the bold. Thank you for confirming my suspisions that many religious people don't know their god is real, but will imagine (believe if you will) that it is. As you say, it's not necessary.

Then why did you say If there was one god that was true, would he not be known to us if he desired it?, if you know Him?

I know about your god like I know about superman. Me knowing about superman doesn't make superman more than a character born out of human imagination. Same goes for your god concept.

[1213]

Could you please provide at least a couple of examples of information in the Bible which you believe could only have come about through the intervention of God.

That in the beginning there was just one continent.

God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:10

And that Jews will be scattered and later gathered back, as we can nowadays see happening.

I will scatter you among the nations, and I will draw out the sword after you: and your land will be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste.
Leviticus 26:33

If any of your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of the heavens, from there will Yahweh your God gather you, and from there will he bring you back:
Deuteronomy 30:1-4

And I cant believe people would say this without God:

love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

Also, because no one has been able to show contradiction in the Bible, I believe God has influenced in it.

[1213]

I could 'show' you over and over and over again until you are convinced if needed. So it remains a fact that some things can be shown to be more than imagination

That is your belief, not a fact.

I would want to know the desires of this God being that is in my view.

Why?

I know about your god like I know about superman. Me knowing about superman doesn't make superman more than a character born out of human imagination. Same goes for your god concept.

In that case, please tell what do you think my God is?

[brunumb]

Could you please provide at least a couple of examples of information in the Bible which you believe could only have come about through the intervention of God.

That in the beginning there was just one continent.

God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:10

And that Jews will be scattered and later gathered back, as we can nowadays see happening.

I will scatter you among the nations, and I will draw out the sword after you: and your land will be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste.
Leviticus 26:33

If any of your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of the heavens, from there will Yahweh your God gather you, and from there will he bring you back:
Deuteronomy 30:1-4

And I cant believe people would say this without God:

love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

Also, because no one has been able to show contradiction in the Bible, I believe God has influenced in it.

Sorry 1213, but none of that necessitates any input from a god. The Genesis quote does not require there to be a single continent and if science had not proposed such a situation in early Earth history I doubt that any Bible reader would have recognised it. Statements about scattering of people are not particularly exceptional. Preaching love does not have to be influenced by any gods. There is nothing in what you quoted that could not have come purely from creative human minds. No God necessary.

[Clownboat]

That is your belief, not a fact.

No, it is a fact that I could demonstrate that it is not your imagination thinking I'm kicking you in the butt. Why, because in the scenario I'm presenting, I am kicking your butt and I would be able to demonstrate such a thing. Over and over and over again if needed until you are convinced it is not your imagination.

I would want to know the desires of this God being that is in my view.

Why?

Because it's a freaking God! It would be amazing to meet such a being! I would be in awe and would want to know more. I would think most humans would feel the same.

I know about your god like I know about superman. Me knowing about superman doesn't make superman more than a character born out of human imagination. Same goes for your god concept.

In that case, please tell what do you think my God is?

It's a concept.
Like every other religious human out there, best I can tell... your god is whatever god concept you choose to believe in. In your case, it would be the god of the Bible.

[SallyF]

Yahweh[Notes 1] was the national god of the kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah.[3] His origins reach at least to the early Iron Age and apparently to the Late Bronze,[4] and in the oldest biblical literature he is a storm-and-warrior deity[5] who leads the heavenly army against Israel's enemies.[6] At that time the Israelites worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal,[7] but in time El and Yahweh became conflated,[8] El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone,[9] and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into the Yahwistic religion.[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh


Can we demonstrate that Yahweh is anything more than imaginary ?

Nearly 500 peeks at this topic

and still NOT A SINGLE SOUL has demonstrated that the biblical Yahweh god is anything more than imaginary.

I am claiming victory in this topic as well.