Are we living in the last days?

[otseng]

From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.

For debate:
Are we living in the last days?

[otseng]

Ezekiel 37:24 made it clear that "My servant David will be king".

You're preaching is not appreciated here. Please find a street corning and a soap box as this site is for debate.

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The post from 2ndpillar2 does seem somewhat relevant, so I would not consider it to be in violation of the rules. But, I would suggest in the future to add your own words and arguments, rather than simply quoting scripture.


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[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #470

I notice that you quote only part of what the prince is to do.

"And on that day the prince shall prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bull for a sin offering". (Ezekiel 45:22)

And if you dismiss Paul as a false prophet for declaring that Yeshua died for sin, what do you do with Yeshua's own declarations?

"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Mark 10:45)

"Then he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, 'Drink from it, all of you. For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.'" (Matthew 26:27-28)

And how would you know about my health? I happen to be doing pretty good at the moment.

[1213]

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Are we living in the last days?

Bible says about last days:

But know this, that in the last days, grievous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
2 Tim. 3:1-4

I think people are like that nowadays, therefore I would say we are living in the last days. But, I can't say how many last days there are remaining.

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #470

I notice that you quote only part of what the prince is to do.

"And on that day the prince shall prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bull for a sin offering". (Ezekiel 45:22)

And if you dismiss Paul as a false prophet for declaring that Yeshua died for sin, what do you do with Yeshua's own declarations?

"For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Mark 10:45)

"Then he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, 'Drink from it, all of you. For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.'" (Matthew 26:27-28)

And how would you know about my health? I happen to be doing pretty good at the moment.

As for your health, it is inevitable that you should have good days among the bad, for without the good, how would you recognize the bad. That is representative of the law of opposites. You need bitter to appreciate sweet. Regardless, you will die, as "everyone dies for their own iniquities" (Jeremiah 31:30). As for the last supper meal, they ate the bread without leaven, to represent eating the wheat, the good seed, the Word (Scripture and the testimony of Yeshua), without the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, which is represented by the leaven, with a prime example being the Pharisee of Pharisees, Paul, and his writings, or that of his associates. The wine would represent the blood, where within life exists (Genesis 2:7) which was placed on the door posts of the original Passover dinner setting, per Scripture , and used to ward off the angels of death, and is now done by posting the "Word", the 10 commandments, on one's door posts (Deut 6:9), which along with a mark on the hands and forehead (Deut 6:8), which is to ward off future angels of death (Revelation 7:3). The wine/blood represents the Spirit of God, for which Yeshua had to leave earth, go to heaven, to send the "Helper". As for the "new covenant" (Jeremiah 31:31), that is for the house of Judah and the house of Israel, and is when the Law is instilled/written on their hearts, which occurs after the house of Israel is gathered out of the nations/Gentiles by "hunters" (Ezekiel 36:24-27) and the Law written on their hearts, which happens after fishermen have been sent out (Jeremiah 16:16). Yeshua only sent out fishermen to the lost sheep, the house of Israel (Matthew 10:6), but in the future, hunters will be sent out. As for the canon of the daughters of Babylon, which you apparently use without scrutiny, one will continue to incur the "plagues" of "her", daughters of Babylon, whether you are "doing good" at the "moment", or not, until one "comes out of her".(Revelation 18:4) The culminating use of the blood, comes in the "last days", when the angels come to pass judgment (Revelation 7:3). Chanting, bowing to Mecca 5 times a day, or calling "Lord, Lord" (Matthew 7:22), will not help/"save" anyone. No one is coming to "rapture" out the "Christians". The angels/reapers are coming to "gather up the tares"/wicked/lawless, and to burn them, and this is their "first" act (Matthew 13:30). It is afterward, that the angels gather out the good seed and put it into the barn, which is to say, transfer the lost tribe of Israel to the land given to Jacob (Ezekiel 37:24-25), under the leadership of My servant David. The surviving nations/Gentiles, will then worship the King (Zechariah 14:16) in Jerusalem.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #474]This doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. You've been quoting the Bible left, right and center, but seem to duck & dodge when I quote it back to you. A lot of words coming back, but no clear answers to questions.

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #474]This doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. You've been quoting the Bible left, right and center, but seem to duck & dodge when I quote it back to you. A lot of words coming back, but no clear answers to questions.

I addressed the points you made. Just because your indoctrination does not allow a deeper look into what the "last days" actually means, and the repercussions around that period, mostly because you have apparently adopted the "lawlessness" paradigm of Matthew 13:41, known as the gospel of grace, and therefore apparently unable to "understand" the kingdom as described in Daniel 12:10. Your preconceived notions apparently blind you to an overview of the "kingdom", which Yeshua taught, which is preluded in the "last days"/end of the age/end times. As for quoting the "Word", the Scripture, along with the confirmed testimony of Yeshua, the Spirit of Revelation (Revelation 19:10), with respect to the period of the "last days", the "Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), will use a two edge sword to "smite the nations". The two edge sword is the "Word of God" backed with the Spirit of God. On the other hand, the "devil" uses the tare seed, the message of the false prophets, which is mixed in the same field/book (Matthew 13:24-25), as was the good seed, to make his followers think that they surely shall not die (Genesis 3:4), but in fact, they will not only die, but be among the walking dead according to Yeshua in Matthew 19:17, in that those who do not keep the Commandments, and follow the paradigm of lawlessness, do not enter into life.

[brunumb]

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Are we living in the last days?

Bible says about last days:

But know this, that in the last days, grievous times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
2 Tim. 3:1-4

I think people are like that nowadays, therefore I would say we are living in the last days. But, I can't say how many last days there are remaining.

Not only are people like that nowadays, they have been for millennia. That means the so-called last days have been happening for every generation of people that have lived. Prophesy is bunk!

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #474]This doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. You've been quoting the Bible left, right and center, but seem to duck & dodge when I quote it back to you. A lot of words coming back, but no clear answers to questions.

I addressed the points you made. Just because your indoctrination does not allow a deeper look into what the "last days" actually means, and the repercussions around that period, mostly because you have apparently adopted the "lawlessness" paradigm of Matthew 13:41, known as the gospel of grace, and therefore apparently unable to "understand" the kingdom as described in Daniel 12:10. Your preconceived notions apparently blind you to an overview of the "kingdom", which Yeshua taught, which is preluded in the "last days"/end of the age/end times. As for quoting the "Word", the Scripture, along with the confirmed testimony of Yeshua, the Spirit of Revelation (Revelation 19:10), with respect to the period of the "last days", the "Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), will use a two edge sword to "smite the nations". The two edge sword is the "Word of God" backed with the Spirit of God. On the other hand, the "devil" uses the tare seed, the message of the false prophets, which is mixed in the same field/book (Matthew 13:24-25), as was the good seed, to make his followers think that they surely shall not die (Genesis 3:4), but in fact, they will not only die, but be among the walking dead according to Yeshua in Matthew 19:17, in that those who do not keep the Commandments, and follow the paradigm of lawlessness, do not enter into life.

You addressed how Yeshua said the Son of Man had come to "give his life a ransom for many" and that his blood of the new covenant was "shed for many for the remission of sins"......but wasn't saying that he was dying for others' sins? You did say that nobody had died for anybody, didn't you?

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #474]This doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. You've been quoting the Bible left, right and center, but seem to duck & dodge when I quote it back to you. A lot of words coming back, but no clear answers to questions.

I addressed the points you made. Just because your indoctrination does not allow a deeper look into what the "last days" actually means, and the repercussions around that period, mostly because you have apparently adopted the "lawlessness" paradigm of Matthew 13:41, known as the gospel of grace, and therefore apparently unable to "understand" the kingdom as described in Daniel 12:10. Your preconceived notions apparently blind you to an overview of the "kingdom", which Yeshua taught, which is preluded in the "last days"/end of the age/end times. As for quoting the "Word", the Scripture, along with the confirmed testimony of Yeshua, the Spirit of Revelation (Revelation 19:10), with respect to the period of the "last days", the "Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), will use a two edge sword to "smite the nations". The two edge sword is the "Word of God" backed with the Spirit of God. On the other hand, the "devil" uses the tare seed, the message of the false prophets, which is mixed in the same field/book (Matthew 13:24-25), as was the good seed, to make his followers think that they surely shall not die (Genesis 3:4), but in fact, they will not only die, but be among the walking dead according to Yeshua in Matthew 19:17, in that those who do not keep the Commandments, and follow the paradigm of lawlessness, do not enter into life.

You addressed how Yeshua said the Son of Man had come to "give his life a ransom for many" and that his blood of the new covenant was "shed for many for the remission of sins"......but wasn't saying that he was dying for others' sins? You did say that nobody had died for anybody, didn't you?

Apparently Yeshua didn't give his life for the "ransom" of those who remain in their sins, who both die, and live a life of plagues. He gave up his life on earth, to return to a life in heaven, so that he could send life, which is in the blood, in the form of the "Helper", the Spirit of Revelation, to the "few", the anointed, the "little children" (Matthew 7:13-14) (1 John 2:27). Those who would be washed clean, and given a new heart and a new spirit, would be those with his holy name, the house of Israel (Ezekiel 36:24-26), and that after they were gathered out of the nations/Gentiles, which remains in the future. Under your false gospel of grace/cross paradigm, the more you sin, the more grace abounds. I(Romans 5:20) The truth is, that when you sin, you are cut off from God, and you enter the realm of the walking dead. To enter in to life, you must confess your sins, repent, in that you sin no more, get baptized in Spirit, and keep the Commandments (Matthew 3 & 19:17). The baptism by water and circumcision in the flesh, are simply physical representations of spiritual events. Without the spiritual happening, the physical representation is just a show piece. Anyone who was washed clean, would not need Obama Care, yet in the US, the majority turned to government for their healing, over turning to God, and keeping his Commandments. That will only lead to more floods, droughts, earthquakes, and calamities. As for the "new covenant", that was respect to the Jews/Judah and the lost sheep (the house of Israel) (Jeremiah 31:31). Your reliance on the canon of the daughters of Babylon, is a foundation of sand. One must confirm every matter on the witness of two or more witnesses (Deut 19:15 & Matthew 18:16). The witnesses have to be proven in court, you actually have to know who they are, and their claims "investigated thoroughly" (Dt 19:18). Your foundation is based on the NT canon and doctrine of the Roman Catholic church and her daughters, based on doctrines from Paul, and they all are guilty of having innocent blood on their hands. Not a good starting point. We are now in the "tribulation", end of age, "last days", period (Matthew 24), getting ready to enter into the "great tribulation" period. Things are only going to get worse, and those with the mark of the beast, the Roman emperor Constantine, who codified the Trinity dogma or the Roman church at his 325 AD Nicene Council, will have to drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10). One can hold on to illusions, or look around and seek truth, and mitigate the coming damage.

[Diogenes]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #479]
"For they think that they will be heard for their many words."

"... every generation of Christians sees the rise of voices who claim to know that they are the terminal generation; the generation of Christians which will see the return of Christ."
https://churchleaders.com/pastors/pasto ... -last.html

I am amazed that after Centuries of every generation claiming to be the last, we have yet again another claim as if the thousands of previous errors had not been made. The first generation of Christians, including Paul, made the claim. From Charles Haze Russell's many claims of the end times (ever changing once the date came and went) to Hal Lindsay's 'Late Great Planet Earth' fiasco these silly claims continue.
The only thing more laughable are the excuses and rationalizations when the predicted date comes and goes with a whimper, not with a bang.