Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

[Compassionist]

Most religions claim that souls exist. Some religions claim that souls are immortal and are reincarnated after the death of the body while other religions claim that souls are immortal and are resurrected after the death of the body. Can anyone please prove that souls exist and are either resurrected or reincarnated? Thank you.

[brunumb]

It has been my experience that at the death of a relative they don't appear to be sleeping nor unconscious. They appear empty or depleted. Something seems to have left the room sort to speak. My mother, father, and mother-in-law have all died and the body really does appear to be nothing more than a shell or husk. Something is gone and I believe that something is their soul.

Have you considered that your perceptions may have been influenced by your prior belief in souls? I have observed someone sleeping soundly and been convinced that they were actually dead.

[otseng]

but pretending it is my fault for bringing philosophy into a thread which is asking a question about a philosophical idea, isn't very honest, don't you agree?

You are the one being dishonest from the start. I questioned you when you claimed that you had evidence for your position that the earth is conscious and when you claimed that it is an intelligent organism. Don't pretend that your lack of being able to show that you spoke the truth is my issue please.

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[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #306]

Yes, I would ask you for your philosophical grounding for fairies and what you think they are.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #306]

Yes, I would ask you for your philosophical grounding for fairies and what you think they are.

Perfect! This is why I asked you:
"Is there any observation that might suggest that there might be some external soul thingy involved with supplying consciousness?"
I assume the answer to that is "no" and you just didn't want to type the two letters.

[William]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #508]

I do not wish to discuss philosophical arguments.

Not even Materialist philosophical arguments? Did you not argue that the human brain was the creator of human consciousness? That is a philosophical argument.

I have noted that consciousness seems to be an emergent property of a working brain.

Is the human brain is the creator of human consciousness?

[Compassionist]

[The Tanager]

[Compassionist]

[William]

I am also agnostic about whether or not souls exist. It's possible that I am a solipsistic soul and nothing else is real. I can't test the solipsism hypothesis either.

The idea is to understand if "you" are "real" (or not real) - not whether any "thing" outside of "you" is "real".
Are you "agnostic" about You being "Real"?
Or can you accept it that undoubtable, You are indeed Real?

Even if you were to have that brain operation, would that somehow take away your ability to experience being real?

It doesn't matter whether others experience a "different you" re that question. Would you still experience being a conscious self aware entity?

[Compassionist]

I am also agnostic about whether or not souls exist. It's possible that I am a solipsistic soul and nothing else is real. I can't test the solipsism hypothesis either.

The idea is to understand if "you" are "real" (or not real) - not whether any "thing" outside of "you" is "real".
Are you "agnostic" about You being "Real"?
Or can you accept it that undoubtable, You are indeed Real?

Even if you were to have that brain operation, would that somehow take away your ability to experience being real?

It doesn't matter whether others experience a "different you" re that question. Would you still experience being a conscious self aware entity?

I am completely certain that I am conscious. What I am agnostic about is whether or not my consciousness is due to being a soul or being a brain or both or neither. There are many hypotheses that can't be tested e.g. simulation hypothesis, illusion hypothesis, dream hypothesis, hallucination hypothesis, solipsism hypothesis, philosophical zombie hypothesis, panpsychism hypothesis, pantheism hypothesis, etc. Just because a hypothesis can't be tested it does not mean it is true or false. It just means that it is currently untestable. Please see viewtopic.php?t=41273 if you want to know more about what I am completely certain about and almost completely certain about.