SABBATH...

[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

[JehovahsWitness]

I meant, I don't think there is enough Biblical reason to say the law was only temporary and it is not anymore valid.

What do you think is being communicated by the following words?

ROMANS 10:4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth - KJV

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus said: "until heaven and earth pass away". I think it means also something.

UNTIL


Maybe it will help to understand the use of the English word "until". Let's look at a few sentences

• I will not marry you until I'm 21.

• You cannot drive until you have your license.

Does this mean the person will be single PERMANENTLY or TEMPORARILY?
Will the person NEVER have a license?

MATTHEW 5:18b

New Living Translation
... not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

English Standard Version
... not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Berean Standard Bible
...not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

CONCLUSION

• I won't marry until I'm 18

• It won't disappear until it's accomplished

Neither sentence is saying the first part will never happen, only that it will happen under certain conditions

Let's look at how Jesus spoke about the conditions in the post below ...

[JehovahsWitness]

"You are not leaving the table until you eat all your vegetables"

• Does this sentence mean that the mother wants the child to stay at the table PERMANENTLY for the rest of his life at the dinner table?

• Or does it not rather mean that he CAN leave the table but only if a condition is met.

Okay, let's add a hyperbole and see what happens...



"Pigs will fly before I let you leave the table without eating your vegetables"

Now the mother has (by using the exaggerated language of "pigs flying" ) introduced an element of impossibility ...but the conditions for leaving remain the same. She is not saying "It is impossible for you to leave the table" she is saying "it is impossible for you to leave the table without / until you eat your vegetables. In other words "The condition for ending MUST be met ; it is impossible that those conditions fail to be met"

Now let us see if we can find the conditions that MUST be met in Jesus statement at Matthew chapter 5 verse 18.

Amplified Bible
For I assure you and most solemnly say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke [of the pen] will pass from the Law until all things [which it foreshadows] are accomplished.

Here Jesus is referring to all the things that He as the Messiah had to do on earth. It is impossible that Jesus fail to accomplish a small part of the law, could he fail to fulfill a letter of the law? It's more likely pigs fly or heaven and earth disappear than for Jesus not to do all that he was sent to earth to do. And then what? Then the situation can CHANGE because the conditions for change have been met.

HAS IT ALL BEEN FULFILLED?

But didn't Jesus come to set up the Kingdom and put an end to all wickeness and suffering?

No, that would be when he RETURNS, Jesus came to earth as the Messiah to accomplish the Mosaic law and thus free his people from their obligation to it. This would pave the way for future blessings, not only for the Jews but for people of every tribe and nation. That is why Jesus said at his death "it has been accomplished", not meaning that he had fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies but he had fulfilled all that he was commissioned to accomplish during his earthly ministry.

CONCLUSION Many people misunderstand Matthew 5v18, thinking Jesus was saying it is impossible for the law to end. That is not what Jesus said. The verse is instead saying it is IMPOSSIBLE for the law to end unfulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law by keeping it perfectly and thus having accomplished its purpose the law could be abolished in favor of that which is vastly superior (see Hebrews 10v1

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What do you think is being communicated by the following words?

ROMANS 10:4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth - KJV

End of the law for righteousness = End for that people try to obey the law to become righteous.

[JehovahsWitness]

What do you think is being communicated by the following words?

ROMANS 10:4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth - KJV

End of the law for righteousness = End for that people try to obey the law to become righteous.

1. Please support that with scripture.

2. Since the words " Christ is the end of the law " are in your opinion , not enough, what words would Paul needed to have written to communicate that Christ ['s death] marked the actual end of the literal law, ie that the law had been rendered obsolete?

[myth-one.com]

What do you think is being communicated by the following words?

ROMANS 10:4

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth - KJV

End of the law for righteousness = End for that people try to obey the law to become righteous.

Please'support that with scripture.

He or she did.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Under the New Testament, everlasting life is attained by believing in Jesus as our Savior, not our efforts to remain without sin. It is a gift of God through Jesus Christ.

Once granted eternal life, death no longer applies to us, as we can no longer die. Thus, the wages of sin (death) is no longer a determining factor in one's salvation. And therefore, the laws which defines the sins (the Law) no longer has any dominion over us.

[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

I believe that the disciples rested on the sabbath day BEFORE Jesus died and fulfilled the Law of Moses. After that, since Jesus fulfilled the Law, all those rules, including the Sabbath, were disbanded.

"Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; for those things are a shadow of the things to come , but the reality belongs to the Christ." (Colossians 2:16,17)

"And blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He [God] has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the 'cross.'" (Colossians 2:14)

Luke 23:56, that happened after Jesus died.

Colossians 2:14,16,17 apostle Paul speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing of ordinances, it does not include the finger written commandments of God, where the 4th is the Sabbath.

[Capbook]

ACTS 2: 38, 39

Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and your children, and to all those who are far away, to all those whom Jehovah our God may call to himself.”

..."Dedication" is not "call to himself."

[ B-1,Verb,G37, HAGIAZO ]
(h) the setting apart of the believer for God, Acts 20:32; cp. Romans 15:16;

source: Vine's Expository Dictionary

- A. The adjective hagios has the following cognates:
1. Hagiazo (verb), “to sanctify, consecrate, dedicate, purify, to set apart.”
- a. adjective of things, in the cultic sense dedicated to God, holy, sacred, i.e. reserved for God and His
service - A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (pages 9-10):

1 PETER 2:9, 10a

But you are “a chosen [HAGIOS] people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but now you are God’s people

Are these 12 disciples that becomes apostles not called by Christ?
And are they not dedicated Christians?

Mat 10:1 Then Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority over unclean spirits, so that they could drive them out and heal every disease and every illness.
Mat 10:2 These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James, the son of Zebedee, and his brother John;

Lexicon define apostles as in broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers.

G652 (Thayer) ἀπόστολος apostolos
Thayer Definition:
1) a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders
1a) specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ
1b) in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers

[JehovahsWitness]

Lexicon define apostles as in broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers.

G652 (Thayer) ἀπόστολος apostolos
Thayer Definition:
1) a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders
1a) specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ
1b) in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers

Yes, the 12 APOSTLES were chosen by Christ to teach. So? So WHAT? What is your point?

[Capbook]

Lexicon define apostles as in broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers.

G652 (Thayer) ἀπόστολος apostolos
Thayer Definition:
1) a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders
1a) specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ
1b) in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers

Yes, the 12 APOSTLES were chosen by Christ to teach. So? So WHAT? What is your point?

Are they dedicated Christians or not?