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Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:50 am

1. God's Sabbath "REST" is different from the weekly Sabbath which was part of a law given to humans ( Heb 4:9 compare Mark 2:27 )
2. Jesus affirmed that God continues to work during HIS (God's ) "rest" period ( see John 5:17)
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Then what is the meaning of this verse?

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
3. GOD'S rest began 6,000 years ago and the same rest day will continue until his purpose is achieve. Gods Rest day then is not every seven 24-hour days (every 168 hours), Gods Rest "DAY"* is actually which is thousands of years long. (See Hebrews 3:18, 19)

* each creative "day" was many thousand of years long




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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:01 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:50 am

1. God's Sabbath "REST" is different from the weekly Sabbath which was part of a law given to humans ( Heb 4:9 compare Mark 2:27 )
2. Jesus affirmed that God continues to work during HIS (God's ) "rest" period ( see John 5:17)
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:53 am


Then what is the meaning of this verse?

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV
3. GOD'S rest began 6,000 years ago and the same rest day will continue until his purpose is achieve. Gods Rest day then is not every seven 24-hour days (every 168 hours), Gods Rest "DAY"* is actually which is thousands of years long. (See Hebrews 3:18, 19)

* each creative "day" was many thousand of years long
Really? So, how many thousand years that the fowls on the earth survive without knowing what food to eat.
Fifth day: God created every winged fowl after its kind. Your interpretation of many thousand years had passed
before the sixth day that they did not know what to eat as in;
Sixth day: God give and inform the fowls on the earth what its food is. Is that so?

Gen 1:20-31
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:04 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:01 am * each creative "day" was many thousand of years long
Really? So, how many thousand years that the fowls on the earth survive without knowing what food to eat.
I do not understand your question, God created the vegetation (food) long before he created the birds and the animals.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:08 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:04 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:01 am * each creative "day" was many thousand of years long
Really? So, how many thousand years that the fowls on the earth survive without knowing what food to eat.
I do not understand your question, God created the vegetation (food) long before he created the birds and the animals.

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Where's the verse? Do God inform them of their food?

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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:20 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:08 am
I do not understand your question, God created the vegetation (food) long before he created the birds and the animals.

Where's the verse?
Genesis 1:11,20


GENESIS 1:30

to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:13 am
1213 wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:50 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:25 pm There is no exception in the Mosaic law, sacrifices (at least 3 a year) were obligatory.
Please give the scripture, where is that said?
DEUTERONOMY 16:16

“Three times a year, all your males should appear before Jehovah your God in the place that he chooses: at the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the Festival of Weeks, and the Festival of Booths
NUMBERS 29:7-38

“And on the tenth of this seventh month, you should hold a holy convention ... and you will present as a burnt offering to Jehovah, as a pleasing aroma, one young bull, one ram, and seven male lambs each a year old, all of them sound.+ 9 And as their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenth measures for the bull, two tenth measures for the one ram, 10 a tenth measure respectively for each male lamb of the seven male lambs, 11 as well as one young goat as a sin offering, aside from the sin offering of atonement+ and the regular burnt offering and its grain offering, together with their drink offerings” - Numbers 29:7-38
HEBREWS 9:22

Yes, according to the Law nearly all things are cleansed with blood, and unless blood is poured out no forgiveness takes place.
Ok, thank you. That was because of the sins. Now, if sins are forgiven, there is no need for that anymore. It does not mean the order is not valid, just that if the reason for the action doesn't exist anymore.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:21 am
1213 wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:50 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:31 pm God still keeps what? Did you have a scripture in mind?
Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them; for I am Yahweh their God; but I will for their sake remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am Yahweh.
Lev. 26:44-45
Did you not see my post on the question of God breaking his covenant ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:28 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:20 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:08 am
I do not understand your question, God created the vegetation (food) long before he created the birds and the animals.

Where's the verse?
Genesis 1:11,20
GENESIS 1:30

to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food
Per your many thousand years interpretation of creation week.

Genesis 1:11(Third day of creation) God created vegetation but no mention about it being food.
Many thousand years passed......
(Fourth day of creation)
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:20 (Fifth day of creation) God created the fowls and its every kind.
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1"30 (Sixth day of creation) God inform the fowls of what their food is. Do fowls survived many thousand year not knowing what their food is?

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1213 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:50 am Now, if sins are forgiven, there is no need for that anymore. It does not mean the order is not valid, just that if the reason for the action doesn't exist anymore.

Since there was no need for [sacrificial laws] anymore what are the options? One option is to Remove or change those laws from being mandatory to being optional (adapt the law). However we have agreed that Jesus indicated not ONE LETTER of the Mosaic law was subject to be changed. So to this day the Jews that do no keep all the laws (including those to make sin sacrifices) are breaking God's law.
Do you think a God would send the Messiah to free them from sin but make it so the only way his people could fully accept the ransom would be to BREAK another of His (God's) own law? Why would a loving God put people in such a "catch 22" situation?
COLOSSIANS 2v14

having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
EPHESIANS 2:15

by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace


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Capbook wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:27 am
Genesis 1:11(Third day of creation) God created vegetation but no mention about it being food.
Many thousand years passed......
(Fourth day of creation)
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1:20 (Fifth day of creation) God created the fowls and its every kind.
Many thousand years passed......
Gen 1"30 (Sixth day of creation) God inform the fowls of what their food is. Do fowls survived many thousand year not knowing what their food is?
God wasn't speaking to the birds on day six he was speaking to Adam, so at no point is there a record of God ever saying to the birds "you must eat the food around you". It's been thousands of years since God made the birds and still to this day there is no scripture where God explained to the birds they must eat the food they find.

All living creatures will instinctively eat if food is available. God imbedded a natural instinct into all living things, which acts like an internal "voice" to eat and drink and keep themselves alive. Remember there was no command from God recorded were God told babies to drink their mother's breast milk, so how is it that Eve kept her newborns alive?

One has to use god given common sense when reading the bible.
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