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Is there a parallel?

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In the 19th century, a movement started among Native Americans which was believed by some to be a way to bring back their former way of life. One of its names was the Ghost Dance, and its participants hoped that performing it widely enough would bring about the disappearance of their white oppressors, the return of the buffalo herds and the restoration of peace and prosperity.

Fast forward to modern times, when "Dominion Theology" has become a significant movement. There are various approaches to it, but one facet is:
Dominion Theology defines the church’s hope to be the establishment of an earthly kingdom instead of the second coming of Christ. Under this view, Christ cannot come back until the church first establishes the millennial kingdom. This kingdom is not simply the rule of God in the hearts of people, but it is to be political, social, and visible. The great commission is redefined: instead of the primary goal being personal evangelism, the church’s mission is to gain control of the world, institution by institution and nation by nation.
https://www.apostolic.edu/is-dominion-t ... criptural/

Is Dominion Theology a fundamentalist Christian version of the Ghost Dance?
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Re: Is there a parallel?

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Athetotheist wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:15 pm

Is Dominion Theology a fundamentalist Christian version of the Ghost Dance?
"Dominion Theology and the Ghost Dance share the commonality of emerging in response to disempowerment and cultural change, but they fundamentally differ in their goals, methods, and outlooks.

The Ghost Dance was a ritualistic expression of grief, resistance, and hope for a return to a harmonious past—a world before colonization, with restored cultural integrity and ecological balance. This was an inward, spiritual act, with its followers believing that their unity and faith could bring about a spiritual reawakening and ultimately a peaceful transformation of their world back to what it once was.

Dominion Theology, on the other hand, is not about returning to the past but about building a new future aligned with a Christian social and political vision. Rather than a mystical practice, it’s an organized and strategic effort aiming to reshape society and institutions according to Christian principles. It sees power as something to actively pursue and wield, institution by institution, as a means to create a divine kingdom on Earth. In other words, it’s not about going back to a former state of existence but about constructing a new one.

So, while both movements respond to cultural disempowerment, Dominion Theology differs from the Ghost Dance in that it is forward-looking, highly strategic, and dominative, seeking not a revival of the past but the establishment of a new order. The Ghost Dance was a spiritual yearning for restoration; Dominion Theology is a theological mission for dominion."

While Dominion Theology and the Ghost Dance are distinct in their historical goals, they both engage with a ‘Ghost’—an enduring, idealized presence that transcends time. This ‘Ghost’ isn’t bound to a particular past or future but exists as a timeless ideal. In the Ghost Dance, the ‘Ghost’ is a vision of the ancestors and the world before disruption; in Dominion Theology, it’s the vision of a divine kingdom yet to be established. Both movements perform a ‘dance’ to bring this ideal closer, whether by restoring a lost past or creating a new order. Thus, while not mirror images, they share a similar dance around a vision that defies time, embodying a hope that endures across generations

GHOST DANCE
Crow's brought the message
To the children of the sun
For the return of the buffalo
And for a better day to come
You can kill my body
You can damn my soul
For not believing in your God
And some world down below

But you don't stand a chance against my prayers
You don't stand a chance against my love

They outlawed the Ghost Dance

But we shall live again, we shall live again
My sister above
Well she has red paint
She died at Wounded Knee
Like a Latter-day Saint
You got the big drum in the distance
The blackbird's in the sky
That's a sound that you hear
When the buffalo cry

You don't stand a chance against my prayers
You don't stand a chance against my love

They outlawed the Ghost Dance

But we shall live again, we shall live again
We shall live again

Crazy Horse was a mystic
He knew the secret of the trance
And Sitting Bull, the great apostle
Of the Ghost Dance

Come on Comanche
Come on Blackfoot
Come on Shoshone
Come on Cheyenne
Come on Arapaho
Come on Cherokee
Come on Paiute
Come on Sioux

You don't stand a chance against my prayers
You don't stand a chance against my love

We shall live again (we shall live again)
You used to do the Ghost Dance
Used to do the Ghost Dance
But we don't sing them kinda songs no more

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Re: Is there a parallel?

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[Replying to William in post #51

I was thinking of a parallel in the sense that both are centered on something which their practitioners must do to bring about the desired change rather than having faith that things will turn in due course.
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