The Bible's Biggest Problem(s)?

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The Bible's Biggest Problem(s)?

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In a continuation of this topic (viewtopic.php?t=39327&start=990), which only discusses one important topic, I present a follow-up....

For Debate:

1) Why didn't Jesus write the NT Himself? Why leave this task up to fallible humans to write what was floating around, only after decade(s) of oral traditions? Wouldn't Jesus know that earnest confusion would soon prevail, and that his true message(s) may get fouled up by human error and/or corruption?

2) Case/point: There exists countless denominations, with opposing belief systems, all in earnest in reading the exact same collection of books. If Jesus' intent is to convey truth, why not assure his message(s) are crystal clear and unified for all?

3) If Jesus also recognizes that many/most were/are illiterate, and/or the many who are literate merely read at a lower grade level, and that differing languages can also blur the message(s), why not write the Bible in a cohesive way in which even the most rudimentary person can understand, in all languages?

This is, in part, the problem of communication....
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1213 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:48 am
I can answer to that, after you answer to the question, is it the same as eating blood.
So do you obey the Mosaic law that forbids the eatng of blood?

That's interesting, because I'll bet that you've ignored a few hundreds of the others.

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Are_You_A_Sinner wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:13 am
God will inspire us ...............

And you're idea of Jesus is a white western male?
Inspired? I think not.

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The Third Eye wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:39 pm
oldbadger wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:27 am
Are_You_A_Sinner wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 6:13 am
God will inspire us ...............

And you're idea of Jesus is a white western male?
Inspired? I think not.
Did you miss the target:
No. I didn't.

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Re: The Bible's Biggest Problem(s)?

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POI wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:32 am
1213 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:08 pm If you reject God because of the blood, then it is sin for you.
Your response is illogical. Lying is a sin, right? Trespassing is a sin, right? There exist no exceptions for sin. They are all transgressions against God, whether you (accept or reject) 'god.' Does the Bible author consider receiving IV blood transfusions a sin, or not?
By what I have understood, actually only thing that is sin is to reject God, or live without God. And when one lives in sin, it leads to all kind of bad things, like lying. Lying and lawlessness is the result of sin, similarly as righteous actions are the result of one being righteous. This is why I say, sin is what a sinner does and righteousness is what a righteous person does.

…He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

This is why, my answer is, IV blood transfusion is a sin, if you reject God because of it.
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oldbadger wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:12 am
1213 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:48 am
I can answer to that, after you answer to the question, is it the same as eating blood.
So do you obey the Mosaic law that forbids the eating of blood?
I believe the rule was given with a good reason, therefore I don't want to eat blood.
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1213 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:22 am This is why, my answer is, IV blood transfusion is a sin, if you reject God because of it.
Please see how this is illogical.

Lying is a sin, if you reject God because of it.

Or...

Trespassing is a sin, if you reject God because of it.

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If the only sin was rejecting God, then you can ignore many other expressed sins in the Bible. :shock: The only one sinless, according to your belief structure, is God/Jesus. Otherwise, the "sinless" would not need Jesus.

It's also illogical because this would mean that all believers are "sinless".
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servant1 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:42 pm Few on earth understand Gods truth.
What is this truth that few understand?
They must be taught by these-Matt 24:45.

Can you make this make sense?
Its why there are hundreds of different religions claiming to be Christian
I'm only aware of one Christian religion, with many varying denominations. What different religions claim to be Christian?
= a lack of understanding Gods truth.= A lack of holy spirit guidance. 1 religion has Jesus-1Cor 1:10
I can still talk in tongues. Therefore I must have proper understanding/guidance. Phew!
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[Replying to Clownboat in post #299]

In the NT talking in tongues was speaking a foreign language they never spoke before. Not gibberish.

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POI wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:55 am
1213 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:22 am This is why, my answer is, IV blood transfusion is a sin, if you reject God because of it.
Please see how this is illogical.

Lying is a sin, if you reject God because of it.

Or...

Trespassing is a sin, if you reject God because of it.

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If the only sin was rejecting God, then you can ignore many other expressed sins in the Bible.
Why do you need to call things sin? Even if we would not think lying is sin, it is wrong and by what is said in the Bible, people should not lie, liars go to hell.

...all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.
Rev. 21:8
POI wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:55 am The only one sinless, according to your belief structure, is God/Jesus. Otherwise, the "sinless" would not need Jesus.

It's also illogical because this would mean that all believers are "sinless".
In Biblical point of view, people should reject sin, be born anew and become sinless.

… "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more."
John 8:11
....That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
John 3:3-7
But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13
It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
John 6:63
He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed: that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn’t commit sin, because his seed remains in him, and he can’t sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother.
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1213 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:22 am
I believe the rule was given with a good reason, therefore I don't want to eat blood.
All the Mosaic laws were given with good reason! So its illogical that you would cling to one or two whilst ignoring hundreds.

Illogical.

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