God is everyone?

[Purple Knight]

It is pretty obvious that God is supposed to be male. It is Adam who is made in his image.

That begs the question: Does God have a penis? If so what is it for? If he has one, then he is not only male but the male of his species, because if he's perfect and he has one, it has to be for something and must go somewhere and therefore there must be more of those things. It's just that none of them created Earth or humans.

[Purple Knight]

My son is just as human as I am. Jesus, the Son of God, is just as much God as the Father is.

That still implies that God is male, because he incarnated as a male when he could have as easily (or more easily, since Mary did not have a Y chromosome to give out) incarnated as a female.

[bjs1]

My son is just as human as I am. Jesus, the Son of God, is just as much God as the Father is.

That still implies that God is male, because he incarnated as a male when he could have as easily (or more easily, since Mary did not have a Y chromosome to give out) incarnated as a female.

Jesus was incarnated as a male because he had to be one of the two sexes in order to be human. You are correct that he could just as easily have been female. He was male, but there is no reason to think that he had to be male.

To make an analogy, if you were to have a child next year, that child might be female. The child does not have to be female, but the child will be one of the two sexes and it could be female. Similarly, Jesus did not have to be male. He had to be one of the sexes, and he was male, but it didn't have to happen that way.

[Purple Knight]

Jesus was incarnated as a male because he had to be one of the two sexes in order to be human.

Some people are born intersex, or with little to no sexual characteristics. Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome for example.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus was incarnated as a male because he had to be one of the two sexes in order to be human.

Some people are born intersex, or with little to no sexual characteristics. Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome for example.

Your point being? Yes, Jesus ciuld have been born intersex or with some other physical anomoly, therefore ...?

[Purple Knight]

Jesus was incarnated as a male because he had to be one of the two sexes in order to be human.

Some people are born intersex, or with little to no sexual characteristics. Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome for example.

Your point being? Yes, Jesus could have been born intersex or with some other physical anomaly, therefore ...?

Therefore there was some reason to select male. I put that as a counter argument to the idea that Jesus had to be either male or female, so the choice for male might as well have been a random one.

It could have been that in a patriarchal society, a female did not have a chance to be recognised as a prophet or saviour. But it was God who created that society, that way, from the very beginning.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus was incarnated as a male because he had to be one of the two sexes in order to be human.

Some people are born intersex, or with little to no sexual characteristics. Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome for example.

Your point being? Yes, Jesus could have been born intersex or with some other physical anomaly, therefore ...?

Therefore there was some reason to select male. ....

I agree, yes there must have been. The thing is to examine possible questions ..is there no love in biology? Do patriarchal societies have females ? The effect trans women in sport would have on Mary's chromosomes..ect. Only by examining these questions can we come to a reasonable concusion.


JW

[bjs1]

Jesus was incarnated as a male because he had to be one of the two sexes in order to be human.

Some people are born intersex, or with little to no sexual characteristics. Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome for example.

These syndromes do not remove all sexual characteristics, but I think this misses the point. I could have written, “Human beings have arms.” Obviously a person who loses his arms does not cease to be human. I would clearly be talking about the normative human experience, which includes having two arms. A reasonable person should be able to understand that this is not an absolute statement without that needing to be explicitly stated every time anyone writes about the human condition.

Can you imagine how pedantic, painstaking and lengthy our communication would have to be to mention every exception or minor abnormality that accompanies everything we say?

[Purple Knight]

I could have written, “Human beings have arms.” Obviously a person who loses his arms does not cease to be human. I would clearly be talking about the normative human experience, which includes having two arms. A reasonable person should be able to understand that this is not an absolute statement without that needing to be explicitly stated every time anyone writes about the human condition.

But it's in the context of Jesus supposedly having to be one sex or the other. Being born half a god is already not within the normative human experience.

[bjs1]

But it's in the context of Jesus supposedly having to be one sex or the other.

Okay. There was a 0.1% chance that Jesus could have had one of a few genetic disorders which would have decreased but not eliminated his physical sexual distinction. Does this change really change anything?

Being born half a god is already not within the normative human experience.

As far as I am aware no group of Christians claims that Jesus was half a god.

[Purple Knight]

But it's in the context of Jesus supposedly having to be one sex or the other.

Okay. There was a 0.1% chance that Jesus could have had one of a few genetic disorders which would have decreased but not eliminated his physical sexual distinction. Does this change really change anything?

It means that he didn't have to choose A or B, and there should be some significance to choosing male. Now, you can say, okay, but he had to be male because nobody would listen to a female prophet, but remember that God created the rules that made his People patriarchal in the first place.

Being born half a god is already not within the normative human experience.

As far as I am aware no group of Christians claims that Jesus was half a god.

I'm familiar with the technical explanation that he was both all god, and all human. In common sense we call someone with a father or one kind, and a mother of another kind, half. Regardless, what Jesus was, was nowhere near within the normative human experience. If we're to believe sex is as dirty as many Christians seem to believe (not saying it's canonical other than how original sin is passed) then Jesus being perfect and pure and without original sin, ought to have been born without genitals.