Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

[Base12]

I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”

Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:

• You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
• Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
• The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.
• The interpretation of the phrase ‘surely die’ must be consistent with its usage elsewhere in the Bible.
• Use as many or as few verses as needed.
• Your interpretation must not contradict either Old Testament or New Testament.

I will submit my entry in the next post.

[JehovahsWitness]

Note that the universe was not even created at that point.

So the logo was a created entity that effected light on the first day prior to the creation of the heavens (of Genesis) on the third ?

Please explain.

[Capbook]

I follow your narrative closely, and I noticed that the first Adam created on the third day had not eaten any food for three days, only the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the sixth day.

Does an immortal being need to eat food like we do?

Was the 'food' literal or symbolic?

After all, the 'food' from Tree of Knowledge was... knowledge, right?

Like this...

Jeremiah 15:16
"Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts."

How could the food be literal, physical food like we eat? That would imply that death existed before the Fall. That is contradictory to Scripture.

In Gen 2:7 Adam was created and became a living being...

He became a Living Soul to be accurate. This is just Spirit and Soul only, and no physical Body. Naked means no Body.

...it would be that he already possessed the image of God.

Irrelevant.

And though there's no word "recreated" in Gen 1:27, why would God still mentioned "Let us make man in our image" in verse 26 if it was a recreation?

I am not sure I understand your question. Sorry.

After God created man in Gen 1:27, who do you think He is talking to giving these foods for? (Gen 1:29-31)
If before sin comes, death was nowhere to man and even animals, why God provide these foods?

Gen 1:29 God said, “See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. R20 
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the air and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. R21 
Gen 1:31 God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. R

New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition rendered Gen 2:7 as "living being."
Even the word "soul" in KJV, In Greek "נפשׁ nephesh" defined by Bible lexicon as living being, person, life, creature etc.(Gen 2:7)
I don't know where you get your definition of "naked" as no body. BDB lexicon defined it as nakedness, nowhere does it define "no body".
Does your Bible speak about "recreation" in Gen 1:27?

(NRSVue) Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

H5315 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
נפשׁ nephesh
BDB Definition:
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
1b) living being
1c) living being (with life in the blood)
1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
1e) seat of the appetites
1f) seat of emotions and passions
1g) activity of mind

H5903 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
ערם / עירם
‛êyrôm / ‛êrôm
BDB Definition:
1) naked (adjective)
2) nakedness (noun masculine)

[onewithhim]

I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”

Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:

• You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
• Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
• The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.

Why must "day" be interpreted as 24 hours or less? It is just as logical to say that "day" means a period of undetermined time. That way Genesis 1 and 2 do not contradict each other. (How could Genesis 2:4 be speaking about a 24-hour day?) Anyway, the first chapter goes over the general creation, and the 2nd chapter brings out some details. God doesn't make mistakes. The Scriptures don't show that He does, either.

[Capbook]

I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”

Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:

• You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
• Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
• The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.

Why must "day" be interpreted as 24 hours or less? It is just as logical to say that "day" means a period of undetermined time. That way Genesis 1 and 2 do not contradict each other. (How could Genesis 2:4 be speaking about a 24-hour day?) Anyway, the first chapter goes over the general creation, and the 2nd chapter brings out some details. God doesn't make mistakes. The Scriptures don't show that He does, either.

Gen 2:4 in the above account, is a history of the production of the heavens and earth, and of all things in them, the creation of them being a kind of generation, and the day of their creation a sort of birthday. (Gen 5:1)
In the day that the Lord God made the earth, and the heavens, meaning not any particular day, not the first day, in which the heavens and the earth were created; but referring to the whole time of the six days, in which everything in them, and relating to them, were made. A 24 hour evening and morning day.

[Base12]

Why must "day" be interpreted as 24 hours or less?

Because we are not to take away or add unto the Word of God.

It is just as logical to say that "day" means a period of undetermined time.

Neither you nor anyone else has proven that. All you have is your opinion, which many disagree with.

That way Genesis 1 and 2 do not contradict each other.

If you have been paying attention to the critics, even on this forum, they have been pointing out the contradictions with your belief for ages.

I would suggest proving what you claim. I doubt you will.

(How could Genesis 2:4 be speaking about a 24-hour day?)

Try comprehending the OP. The answer is there. In fact, I have answered your question several times already.

Anyway, the first chapter goes over the general creation, and the 2nd chapter brings out some details. God doesn't make mistakes. The Scriptures don't show that He does, either.

So, according to you, God created plants and animals before Man in Genesis 1, but in Genesis 2, God creates Man before plants and animals. Looks like you did not double check your conclusions.

[Base12]

...and of all things in them...

Where does it say that?

[Base12]

Note that the universe was not even created at that point.

So the logo was a created entity that effected light on the first day prior to the creation of the heavens (of Genesis) on the third ?

Please explain.

No. The Logos was not created. Is that what you believe?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to Base12 in post #17]

Wikipedia may be a good source for many things, but may not be a very good Christian source; their comments may have been written to cause confusion. Wikipedia still supports the "woke" movement.

The first error I see in almost every response is that verse 4 ends with a comma, not a period. Therefore, verse 5 is a continuation of thought of verse 4. The earth did not bring forth plants, herbs or any other fruits of itself, but purely by the power of the Almighty.

Secondly, the word "generations' in verse 4 needs to be qualified. By generations of the heavens and the earth, Moses, is speaking of their origin and the order of creation, as in chapter 1. Also, the word day is to be taken in a wider sense than in chapter 1, namely, as equivalent to the word "Time." Day referring to time is often used in scripture in this manner. John 8:56, "Abraham saw my day," that is, the time of Jesus' incarnation.

Hebrews 1:3 explains Genesis. "Through faith we understand that the worlds (plural, stars, etc.) were framed (were prepared) by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear (are visible)."

So, the (worlds) were framed by the word of God. The visible creation was not formed of any eternal pre-existent matter but spoken into existence for nothing.

Psalm 33:9, "For he (God) spoke, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast." This should satisfy any thoughts of the Bible contradicting itself.

[JehovahsWitness]

Note that the universe was not even created at that point.

So the logo was a created entity that effected light on the first day prior to the creation of the heavens (of Genesis) on the third ?

Please explain.

No. The Logos was not created. ...

If {quite} "God was the light" and God is eternal, in what sense was light "created" on the first 24-hour day ? Was God dark before the first day?

Sorry, I meant God was the source of the Light. The Light itself was the Logos.

Note that the universe was not even created at that point.

I am struggling to understand what you are saying...

1. God said "Let there be light" on the 1st day (correct?)
2. That light was not there before he said for it to "be" (Correct?)
3. You said above that the "light" of Genesis I verse 2 was the Logos.

QUESTION If the light (Logos) existed prior to the first day when God said let it "be", in what sense did it come to "be" on the first day?

GENESIS 1:5

God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day

QUESTION How could there be light (which God called "day") if there as no universe?

My understanding (correct me if I am wrong) is that you hold that every time the word "DAY" is mentioned in the Genesis creation account it refers to a literal 24 hour period (presumably when the earth does a complete turn on its axis.

[Base12]

Thanks placebofactor for your comments.

Wikipedia may be a good source for many things, but may not be a very good Christian source; their comments may have been written to cause confusion. Wikipedia still supports the "woke" movement.

Strawman argument.

The first error I see in almost every response is that verse 4 ends with a comma, not a period. Therefore, verse 5 is a continuation of thought of verse 4. The earth did not bring forth plants, herbs or any other fruits of itself, but purely by the power of the Almighty.

What does a comma have to do with what is written?

Secondly, the word "generations' in verse 4 needs to be qualified.

OK.

By generations of the heavens and the earth, Moses, is speaking of their origin and the order of creation, as in chapter 1.

Says you. That is Milk of the Word. The Meat teaches that the Heavens and Earth are symbolic of the Macrocosm and Microcosm of life.

Also, the word day is to be taken in a wider sense than in chapter 1, namely, as equivalent to the word "Time."

In other words, we need to take away and add to the Word of God to make it say what you want. Got it. Take away 'day' and add 'time' in its place.

Day referring to time is often used in scripture in this manner. John 8:56, "Abraham saw my day," that is, the time of Jesus' incarnation.

It is about Isaac. Ironically, you are correct, yet you will not understand why. I doubt anyone here will either.

Hebrews 1:3 explains Genesis. "Through faith we understand that the worlds (plural, stars, etc.) were framed (were prepared) by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear (are visible)."

So, the (worlds) were framed by the word of God. The visible creation was not formed of any eternal pre-existent matter but spoken into existence for nothing.

Bravo. Now we are getting somewhere. The Word of God is invisible. It is information and a strange type of energy yet to be discovered, i.e. the Logos. It manifests reality like a software code. We exist in a type of Simulation. That is what the verse is teaching.

If we tie that verse with this next one, something incredible is revealed...

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

• Invisible Things: Logos
• Things That are Made: Atoms
• Eternal Power: The light which no man can approach unto
• Godhead: Atom

The Godhead is what things are made of. We call them Atoms now. It is a Trinity.

• Father: Neutron
• Word: Proton
• Holy Ghost: Electron

People have no idea.