The Lord's prayer

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Following is my understanding of the Lord’s prayer.
The disciples said to Jesus, "Lord, teach us to pray." Jesus said to his disciples, "When you pray, say, our Father which art in Heaven Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; --- lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Let’s break the prayer down:
Luke 11:1-2-3-4, "Our Father," Jesus is our everlasting Father, Isaiah 9:6, "His name shall be called, -- everlasting Father."

"Which art in Heaven." Colossians 3:1, "Christ sits on the right hand of God (the Father)" in heaven.

Ephesians 1:20, "Christ, when He (the Father) raised Him from the dead and set (seated) Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places."

"Hollowed be thy name."
Christ is, Ephesians 1:21, "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come."
Philippians 2:10, "That at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, of things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."

"Thy kingdom come"
John 18:36, Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

Ephesians 5:5, "No whoremonger, nor unclean person, --- hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

Colossians 1:13, The Father, "Hath translated (transferred us) into the kingdom of His dear Son."

2 Timothy 4:1, "The Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick (the living) and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom."

2 Peter 1:11, "The everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

John wrote in Revelation 1:9, "I John, who also am your brother, and --- in the kingdom and patience (perseverance) of Jesus Christ."

"Thy will be done." The Father's will is the will of both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He is King of Kings." The kingdom is his by inheritance.

"As in heaven, so on earth." Jesus will establish His kingdom here on earth for 1000 years.

"Give us day by day our daily bread." As our Father he cares for his children, he feeds us the food of men, and He is our spiritual manna from heaven.

"Forgive us our sins."
By faith in Jesus Christ are we saved. We are also to forgive everyone who is indebted to us" Jesus gave us another commandment. The commandment to love all men.

"Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil," meaning lead us away from the evil one. This is done through His Holy Spirit working not through our flesh, but through our spirit.

Your thoughts.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to APAK in post #8]

The disciples said to Jesus, "Lord, teach us to pray." Jesus said to his disciples, "When you pray, say, our Father which art in Heaven Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; --- lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Isaiah 9:6 reveals to us that Jesus is our everlasting Father. So, what Jesus was telling his disciples, when you pray, pray to me, I am your everlasting Father, your mediator between you and my Father.

Now, is there another verse to support the idea that we are to pray to Jesus because he is, as Isaiah wrote, our "everlasting Father?"

John 14:13-14, At the last supper, Jesus said to his disciples, "Whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

I believe I mentioned this to you before concerning Isaiah 9:6 and the 'everlasting' father.

‘Everlasting Father’ should be translated as the eternal father, of the future ages to come since his ascension into heaven. Jesus became the key agent of eternal life. Jesus replaced the original and temporal father, also a Son of God, as he, the 1st Adam, returned to the ‘dust.’ Jesus purchased sinful mankind and became their new permanent father of future ages as the 2nd and last Adam. He became immortal and the gateway for all others to enter in. Jesus became the father, the forerunner for us as new creatures in the spiritual Kingdom of God that is still expanding today.

And there is no verse where we are told to pray to Jesus, directly, without any intention of its purpose for his and our Father, who is God. Not saying we cannot speak to Jesus anytime we want of course.

Now doing something or praying in Jesus' name is considering the Son of God and his works, and his new founded authority and standing with God, that allows us to even pray to the Father, God.

First understand this; millions and millions of us use the King James Bible, as have billions of others before us have for the past 400 years. The first mistake you made is in you first sentence when you wrote, "I believe I mentioned this to you before concerning Isaiah 9:6 and the 'everlasting' father."

You may have made a typing error, but my Bible reads "everlasting Father" note uppercase. This is extremely important because, for millions of us, uppercase letters distinguish the "everlasting Father" from my father, your father, or the Pope of Rome when his followers call him father.

Now, Jesus taught his disciples how to pray. When he was teaching them, there was no New Testament because he had not gone to the cross yet. So, he was teaching from the Old Testament. Now, if Isaiah in chapter 9, verse 6, was speaking of another "mighty (uppercase) God" or another everlasting (uppercase) Father," other than Jehovah himself, he would have been stoned to death for blasphemy by his fellow countrymen. When Isaiah wrote his book, he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write about the future of the coming of the Jews' Messiah. Israel was being prepared 700 years before the' birth of Jesus' who, when born, was to be called "Emmanuel, God with us."

Now, as a layman, in plain English, "God with us" means exactly that, "God is now with us." I don't need a theologian to explain something as simple as that statement; it's clear and to the point. So, when I pray, I pray to Jesus Christ who is, 1 Timothy 3:16, "God manifest in the flesh," "The mystery of godliness: "God manifest in the flesh, and justified in the Spirit, and seen of angels, and then preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received into glory."

See how simple, clear, and to the point the verse is.

[APAK]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All of it is rubbish I'm afraid. From 'everlasting' father to the reason why the nickname Emmanuel was given to Jesus. You just don't get it

[mercifulgirl]

[Replying to APAK in post #2]

Hello everyone,

I’m excited to join this forum as a beginner interested in learning more about Christianity and religion. I enjoy exploring different perspectives and engaging in respectful discussions. I’m here to gain knowledge, ask questions, and better understand various beliefs. Looking forward to insightful conversations! Im also looking for some netflix accounts to get on accsmarket so i can relax but it seems full so lmk

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[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All of it is rubbish I'm afraid. From 'everlasting' father to the reason why the nickname Emmanuel was given to Jesus. You just don't get it

What is it that you think I don't get? What I do understand is that you don't understand the difference between a lower and uppercase letter. Are you calling Isaiah a liar? Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us? If not these, what?

[APAK]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All of it is rubbish I'm afraid. From 'everlasting' father to the reason why the nickname Emmanuel was given to Jesus. You just don't get it

What is it that you think I don't get? What I do understand is that you don't understand the difference between a lower and uppercase letter. Are you calling Isaiah a liar? Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us? If not these, what?

Look, so tell me what do you think that Jesus' other non-formal name Emmanuel means? Why was it attached to him? Go...

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to APAK in post #2]

Hello everyone,

I’m excited to join this forum as a beginner interested in learning more about Christianity and religion. I enjoy exploring different perspectives and engaging in respectful discussions. I’m here to gain knowledge, ask questions, and better understand various beliefs. Looking forward to insightful conversations!

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[APAK]

[Replying to APAK in post #2]

Hello everyone,

I’m excited to join this forum as a beginner interested in learning more about Christianity and religion. I enjoy exploring different perspectives and engaging in respectful discussions. I’m here to gain knowledge, ask questions, and better understand various beliefs. Looking forward to insightful conversations!

Welcome and may God bless you. I hope you find some of these discussion edifying and encouraging to you.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All of it is rubbish I'm afraid. From 'everlasting' father to the reason why the nickname Emmanuel was given to Jesus. You just don't get it

What is it that you think I don't get? What I do understand is that you don't understand the difference between a lower and uppercase letter. Are you calling Isaiah a liar? Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us? If not these, what?

Look, so tell me what do you think that Jesus' other non-formal name Emmanuel means? Why was it attached to him? Go...

I don't understand your question, please clarify.

[APAK]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All of it is rubbish I'm afraid. From 'everlasting' father to the reason why the nickname Emmanuel was given to Jesus. You just don't get it

What is it that you think I don't get? What I do understand is that you don't understand the difference between a lower and uppercase letter. Are you calling Isaiah a liar? Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us? If not these, what?

Look, so tell me what do you think that Jesus' other non-formal name Emmanuel means? Why was it attached to him? Go...

I don't understand your question, please clarify.

I don't understand you say. Please clarify, you say. Well let me make is very clear as I must be dealing with someone who is challenged in understanding simple straight-forward English statements, or is deliberately playing possum.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE .."Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us?.."

And I ask you for the second time now, WHAT does it mean that Jesus' (nick) name is Emmanual? And the answer is not 'God with us' either. There is more to it than that.

I do expect an answer that is somewhat intelligible this time...thx

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All of it is rubbish I'm afraid. From 'everlasting' father to the reason why the nickname Emmanuel was given to Jesus. You just don't get it

What is it that you think I don't get? What I do understand is that you don't understand the difference between a lower and uppercase letter. Are you calling Isaiah a liar? Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us? If not these, what?

Look, so tell me what do you think that Jesus' other non-formal name Emmanuel means? Why was it attached to him? Go...

I don't understand your question, please clarify.

I don't understand you say. Please clarify, you say. Well let me make is very clear as I must be dealing with someone who is challenged in understanding simple straight-forward English statements, or is deliberately playing possum.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WROTE .."Are you denying Jesus's name as being Emmanual, God with us?.."

And I ask you for the second time now, WHAT does it mean that Jesus' (nick) name is Emmanual? And the answer is not 'God with us' either. There is more to it than that.

I do expect an answer that is somewhat intelligible this time...thx

Because you didn't say please, this conversation is over. Your last hysterical comments are unreal enough to have tumbled out of a cornucopia of grotesque comments, so why debate the subject with you any further? I will only end up with coffee nerves and hating my pet dog. Now you're on my list of "Don't send him a Christmas card.