Several Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses

[placebofactor]

1. Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32:24-25? And when Jacob wrote, in K.J.B. Genesis 32:30, "I have seen God (Elohim) face to face and my life has been preserved."
N.W.T. Genesis 32:30, "I have seen God (Elohim) Face to face and yet my soul was delivered."

2. Who did the parents of Samson see and make their offering to? And when it was over, Manoah said to his wife,

God or Elohim is in uppercase in both verses and both Bibles: The N.W.T. reads, "We shall positively die, because it is God (Elohim) that we have seen."
The K.J.B. reads, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God (Elohim)."

If you were a person off the street, and knew little about the Bible and had no religious affiliations, and read the verses above, who would you say the parents of Samson and Jacob saw? Please be honest in your response.

[onewithhim]

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Jesus is the word, yes? (John 1:1)
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I don't think Bible says he is.

The word became flesh.

That is not the same as "Jesus is the word".

So, who do you think the "word of the LORD' seen by Samuel?
As the word was with the Father, and the word was God.

What is the Scripture that you get your statement from? The Word was with God and yet the Word was God? How can this be reconciled with the word of the LORD seen by Samuel?

[Capbook]

I don't think Bible says he is.

The word became flesh.

That is not the same as "Jesus is the word".

So, who do you think the "word of the LORD' seen by Samuel?
As the word was with the Father, and the word was God.

What is the Scripture that you get your statement from? The Word was with God and yet the Word was God? How can this be reconciled with the word of the LORD seen by Samuel?

The word of the LORD seen by Samuel was Jesus, the word in John 1:1.

[onewithhim]

The word became flesh.

That is not the same as "Jesus is the word".

So, who do you think the "word of the LORD' seen by Samuel?
As the word was with the Father, and the word was God.

What is the Scripture that you get your statement from? The Word was with God and yet the Word was God? How can this be reconciled with the word of the LORD seen by Samuel?

The word of the LORD seen by Samuel was Jesus, the word in John 1:1.

So what is your point? You make a lot of statements and yet you do not state what your posts mean.

[Capbook]

That is not the same as "Jesus is the word".

So, who do you think the "word of the LORD' seen by Samuel?
As the word was with the Father, and the word was God.

What is the Scripture that you get your statement from? The Word was with God and yet the Word was God? How can this be reconciled with the word of the LORD seen by Samuel?

The word of the LORD seen by Samuel was Jesus, the word in John 1:1.

So what is your point? You make a lot of statements and yet you do not state what your posts mean.

The point is no one had seen the Father, it was Jesus who was seen, heard, wrestle with Jacob and etc, even before Jesus became flesh.

[onewithhim]

So, who do you think the "word of the LORD' seen by Samuel?
As the word was with the Father, and the word was God.

What is the Scripture that you get your statement from? The Word was with God and yet the Word was God? How can this be reconciled with the word of the LORD seen by Samuel?

The word of the LORD seen by Samuel was Jesus, the word in John 1:1.

So what is your point? You make a lot of statements and yet you do not state what your posts mean.

The point is no one had seen the Father, it was Jesus who was seen, heard, wrestle with Jacob and etc, even before Jesus became flesh.

OK, so you're saying that clearly Jesus is not the Father. By extension, he is not God. (John 17:3)

[Capbook]

What is the Scripture that you get your statement from? The Word was with God and yet the Word was God? How can this be reconciled with the word of the LORD seen by Samuel?

The word of the LORD seen by Samuel was Jesus, the word in John 1:1.

So what is your point? You make a lot of statements and yet you do not state what your posts mean.

The point is no one had seen the Father, it was Jesus who was seen, heard, wrestle with Jacob and etc, even before Jesus became flesh.

OK, so you're saying that clearly Jesus is not the Father. By extension, he is not God. (John 17:3)

Is John 17:3 a comparison to the Father and Jesus to you? What a misinterpretation.
How is it that you don't even understand the context of John 17:3. JWs keep on quoting that verse but did not understand what the real message is. Try again, you might get it right.

[onewithhim]

The word of the LORD seen by Samuel was Jesus, the word in John 1:1.

So what is your point? You make a lot of statements and yet you do not state what your posts mean.

The point is no one had seen the Father, it was Jesus who was seen, heard, wrestle with Jacob and etc, even before Jesus became flesh.

OK, so you're saying that clearly Jesus is not the Father. By extension, he is not God. (John 17:3)

Is John 17:3 a comparison to the Father and Jesus to you? What a misinterpretation.
How is it that you don't even understand the context of John 17:3. JWs keep on quoting that verse but did not understand what the real message is. Try again, you might get it right.

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

[Capbook]

So what is your point? You make a lot of statements and yet you do not state what your posts mean.

The point is no one had seen the Father, it was Jesus who was seen, heard, wrestle with Jacob and etc, even before Jesus became flesh.

OK, so you're saying that clearly Jesus is not the Father. By extension, he is not God. (John 17:3)

Is John 17:3 a comparison to the Father and Jesus to you? What a misinterpretation.
How is it that you don't even understand the context of John 17:3. JWs keep on quoting that verse but did not understand what the real message is. Try again, you might get it right.

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

[onewithhim]

The point is no one had seen the Father, it was Jesus who was seen, heard, wrestle with Jacob and etc, even before Jesus became flesh.

OK, so you're saying that clearly Jesus is not the Father. By extension, he is not God. (John 17:3)

Is John 17:3 a comparison to the Father and Jesus to you? What a misinterpretation.
How is it that you don't even understand the context of John 17:3. JWs keep on quoting that verse but did not understand what the real message is. Try again, you might get it right.

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

[Capbook]

OK, so you're saying that clearly Jesus is not the Father. By extension, he is not God. (John 17:3)

Is John 17:3 a comparison to the Father and Jesus to you? What a misinterpretation.
How is it that you don't even understand the context of John 17:3. JWs keep on quoting that verse but did not understand what the real message is. Try again, you might get it right.

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.