Did Jesus claim equality with his Father?

[placebofactor]

Did Jesus claim equality with his Father?

It was the day before the cross. In Matthew 26, Jesus is confronted by the Chief priests and elders of the temple. Jesus asserted that he was the “Son of man” that is, literally man; and that he was the Son of God, that is, literally God, as the Jews understood it; and that he would be seen sitting on the right hand of power.” The phrase “Son of God” can be understood in three ways. First, by simple origin, secondly by general likeness, and thirdly, by identity of nature with the Father?

In the Jewish court of law, the Jews understood Jesus to mean “Identity of nature with the Father.” In this sense, for a man to call himself the Son of God would be gross blasphemy. He confirmed to them in the belief that he claimed identity of nature with his Father. It is also evident that he meant to assert his own Supreme Godhead.

On another occasion, Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” Two important questions need to be asked: what impression did his comments make upon the Jewish hearers? and what idea did he convey to them?

Their indignation was so aroused that they “took up stones to stone him.” Jesus understood what was meant by their action; for the blasphemer, according to law, was to be stoned; yet he asked them why. They said, “Because you being a man make yourself God.” This was the impression Jesus words had made on the high priest and elders of the temple.

Did Jesus correct them? No, he did not. In John 5:18, “The Jews sought the more to kill him, because he had not only broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” Jesus never denied this. He said in John 5:23, “that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him.”

Jesus denied none of these things. He left upon their minds the burning impression that he claimed to be the eternal God. He could have denied it but did not. They announced to him, that he would be stoned for his blasphemous claims, yet he said nothing.

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Did Jesus claim equality with his Father?

It was the day before the cross. In Matthew 26, Jesus is confronted by the Chief priests and elders of the temple. Jesus asserted that he was the “Son of man” that is, literally man; and that he was the Son of God, that is, literally God, as the Jews understood it; and that he would be seen sitting on the right hand of power.” The phrase “Son of God” can be understood in three ways. First, by simple origin, secondly by general likeness, and thirdly, by identity of nature with the Father?

In the Jewish court of law, the Jews understood Jesus to mean “Identity of nature with the Father.” In this sense, for a man to call himself the Son of God would be gross blasphemy. He confirmed to them in the belief that he claimed identity of nature with his Father. It is also evident that he meant to assert his own Supreme Godhead.

Does that mean, the people who are children of God, are the God also?

But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13

And, God calls Israel His first born son. Does that mean Israel is the God?

And you shall speak to Pharaoh, So says Jehovah, My son, My first-born is Israel.
Ex. 4:22

On another occasion, Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” Two important questions need to be asked: what impression did his comments make upon the Jewish hearers? and what idea did he convey to them?

I think it would be good to notice that also disciple of Jesus can be one with the God. Does that mean they are also the God?

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.
John 17:21

Jesus denied none of these things. He left upon their minds the burning impression that he claimed to be the eternal God.

But he didn't claim to be God, and I believe the people who judged him knew it well, but wanted to get rid of him, and that is why they made all the false accusations.

Pilate said to them, You brought this man to me as perverting the people. And, behold, examining him before you, I found nothing blameable in this man regarding that which you charge against him. But neither did Herod, for I sent you up to him; and, behold, nothing worthy of death is done by him.
Luke 23:14-15

[A Freeman]

Words or phrases that those who believe "Jesus is God" -- whether as part of the 3=1 "trinity" doctrine or its variant "oneness" doctrine -- must deceitfully redefine to try to make that religious superstition work in their minds:-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Born
Brethren
Creature
Father
Fellows
Firstborn/Firstbegotten
Equal to
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible

It should be self-evident if someone has to redefine the above, lengthy list of words to mean something other than their understood common use, they are not being honest with themselves nor with anyone else.

[A Freeman]

The practice of "legalese" is taking the meaning of common use words, and redefining them to mean something else, usually the exact opposite of what they actually mean, with the intention of deceiving others. This practice has been employed by the courts (and its attorneys and judges, etc.), and in the churches (by the priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc. of every organized religion on Earth, in every synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) for thousands of years, to deceive and to control the minds of those who are unaware of this practice.

The following is a partial list of words or phrases that those who believe in a schizophrenic 3=1 triune god dishonestly attempt to redefine to make that religious superstition work:-

Appointed/Appointed One (God is NEVER appointed by anyone else to do anything)
Anointed/Anointed One (God is never anointed by anyone else, nor did He anoint Himself)
Begotten (made/created, i.e. brought into existence, either from creation or in the case of humans, from procreation)*

*God does NOT procreate

Born (God, who exists from everlasting to everlasting, can NEVER be described as "born", i.e. brought into existence)
Brethren (how could God have brethren?)
Creature (something that is created)
Father (a Father is the progenitor of the Father's Children)
Fellows (how could God have fellows?)
Firstborn/Firstbegotten (how could God be the first one brought into existence?)
Equal to (how could anyone be equal to God?)
Given (why would God need anyone to give Him anything?)
God (omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent at ALL times)
Godhead (described in 1 Corinthians 11:3)
Grace (doing something effortlessly, offering someone a grace period, etc.)
Greater than (which can never mean "equal to")
Heir (God obviously cannot be His own heir)
Image (likeness, when compared to the original)
Inheritance (how could God inherit anything when He already possesses everything?)
Invisible (not visible)
Made (created - there is no such thing as "begotten not made", because)
Man (humans)
Mediator (a liaison between two parties)
Nothing (which can never mean everything)
Of (originating from)
Omnipotent (all-powerful at all times)
Omnipresent (ever-present, at all times)
Omniscient (all-knowing at all times - see Matt. 24:36)
One (which means one, NOT 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one)
Son (the offspring of the Father, either created as God does or, in the case of humans, procreated)
Son of God (the offspring created by God, Who is a Spiritual-Being - John 4:24)
Son of Man (the male offspring of a human, usually resulting from procreation, with one very notable exception)
The Head of (the Lord of, boss of, leader of, etc.)
The MOST High (there are NONE higher, nor equal to)
Three (which means 3, NOT 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than three, e.g. see: Matt. 12:39-40)
Two (which means 2)
Visible (something that can be seen, i.e. that which is NOT invisible)

This is why we do not find the word "trinity" ANYWHERE in the Bible, directly nor by implication.

The Son OF God can NEVER be God, nor can the Son be the Father (or vise-versa), by definition.

[A Freeman]

The answer to the OP is so simple that even a small child should be able to answer this question without difficulty.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

"Greater than" can NEVER mean "equal to".

[placebofactor]

Did Jesus claim equality with his Father?

It was the day before the cross. In Matthew 26, Jesus is confronted by the Chief priests and elders of the temple. Jesus asserted that he was the “Son of man” that is, literally man; and that he was the Son of God, that is, literally God, as the Jews understood it; and that he would be seen sitting on the right hand of power.” The phrase “Son of God” can be understood in three ways. First, by simple origin, secondly by general likeness, and thirdly, by identity of nature with the Father?

In the Jewish court of law, the Jews understood Jesus to mean “Identity of nature with the Father.” In this sense, for a man to call himself the Son of God would be gross blasphemy. He confirmed to them in the belief that he claimed identity of nature with his Father. It is also evident that he meant to assert his own Supreme Godhead.

Does that mean, the people who are children of God, are the God also?

But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13

And, God calls Israel His first born son. Does that mean Israel is the God?

And you shall speak to Pharaoh, So says Jehovah, My son, My first-born is Israel.
Ex. 4:22

On another occasion, Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” Two important questions need to be asked: what impression did his comments make upon the Jewish hearers? and what idea did he convey to them?

I think it would be good to notice that also disciple of Jesus can be one with the God. Does that mean they are also the God?

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.
John 17:21

Jesus denied none of these things. He left upon their minds the burning impression that he claimed to be the eternal God.

But he didn't claim to be God, and I believe the people who judged him knew it well, but wanted to get rid of him, and that is why they made all the false accusations.

Pilate said to them, You brought this man to me as perverting the people. And, behold, examining him before you, I found nothing blameable in this man regarding that which you charge against him. But neither did Herod, for I sent you up to him; and, behold, nothing worthy of death is done by him.
Luke 23:14-15

[placebofactor]

Did Jesus claim equality with his Father?

It was the day before the cross. In Matthew 26, Jesus is confronted by the Chief priests and elders of the temple. Jesus asserted that he was the “Son of man” that is, literally man; and that he was the Son of God, that is, literally God, as the Jews understood it; and that he would be seen sitting on the right hand of power.” The phrase “Son of God” can be understood in three ways. First, by simple origin, secondly by general likeness, and thirdly, by identity of nature with the Father?

In the Jewish court of law, the Jews understood Jesus to mean “Identity of nature with the Father.” In this sense, for a man to call himself the Son of God would be gross blasphemy. He confirmed to them in the belief that he claimed identity of nature with his Father. It is also evident that he meant to assert his own Supreme Godhead.

Does that mean, the people who are children of God, are the God also?

But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13

And, God calls Israel His first born son. Does that mean Israel is the God?

And you shall speak to Pharaoh, So says Jehovah, My son, My first-born is Israel.
Ex. 4:22

On another occasion, Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” Two important questions need to be asked: what impression did his comments make upon the Jewish hearers? and what idea did he convey to them?

I think it would be good to notice that also disciple of Jesus can be one with the God. Does that mean they are also the God?

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.
John 17:21

Jesus denied none of these things. He left upon their minds the burning impression that he claimed to be the eternal God.

But he didn't claim to be God, and I believe the people who judged him knew it well, but wanted to get rid of him, and that is why they made all the false accusations.

Pilate said to them, You brought this man to me as perverting the people. And, behold, examining him before you, I found nothing blameable in this man regarding that which you charge against him. But neither did Herod, for I sent you up to him; and, behold, nothing worthy of death is done by him.
Luke 23:14-15

Freeman, I have no idea what you're talking about!! I will respond to this one sentence you wrote, "Does that mean, the people who are children of God, are the God also?

My response to such babble is, "HUH!

[tygger2]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #7]

1. Nowhere in the synoptic Gospels (the first Gospels to be written: Matthew, Mark, and Luke) do the family, friends, disciples (or enemies) of Jesus say anything even hinting that they thought he was God (or that he was teaching or claiming that he was God). That such essential new information (if true) should be ignored completely is impossible to believe. Compare all the times Jesus is called the Christ or Messiah. Since these were written many years before the fourth Gospel, they should show the most important news about Jesus: information which is essential for his followers to know.

2. Those Jewish leaders who wanted Jesus dead could have merely said that he claimed to be God (an automatic death sentence). But, although they condemned him to death because he claimed to be the Messiah, they never accused him of being God in the Synoptic Gospels. They even hired false witnesses to lie about him, but even those false witnesses did not accuse Jesus of claiming to be God. - Matthew 26:59 -63.

[tygger2]

[Replying to tygger2 in post #8]

Jesus before the High Priest

57 Those who had arrested Jesus took him to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders had gathered. 58 But Peter was following him at a distance, as far as the courtyard of the high priest, and going inside he sat with the guards in order to see how this would end. 59 Now the chief priests and the whole council were looking for false testimony against Jesus so that they might put him to death, 60 but they found none, though many false witnesses came forward. At last two came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to build it in three days.’ ” 62 The high priest stood up and said, “Have you no answer? What is it that they testify against you?” 63 But Jesus was silent. Then the high priest said to him, “I put you under oath before the living God, tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” 64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you,

From now on you will see the Son of Man
seated at the right hand of Power
and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
NRSV

[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]


Jesus never claimed equality--He said--The Father is greater than i. The lying pharisees who Jesus told--your father is the devil claimed Jesus claimed equality. The false religions today do as well following in their darkness.