Several Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses

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1. Who wrestled with Jacob in Genesis 32:24-25? And when Jacob wrote, in K.J.B. Genesis 32:30, "I have seen God (Elohim) face to face and my life has been preserved."
N.W.T. Genesis 32:30, "I have seen God (Elohim) Face to face and yet my soul was delivered."

2. Who did the parents of Samson see and make their offering to? And when it was over, Manoah said to his wife,

God or Elohim is in uppercase in both verses and both Bibles: The N.W.T. reads, "We shall positively die, because it is God (Elohim) that we have seen."
The K.J.B. reads, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God (Elohim)."

If you were a person off the street, and knew little about the Bible and had no religious affiliations, and read the verses above, who would you say the parents of Samson and Jacob saw? Please be honest in your response.

[onewithhim]

Is John 17:3 a comparison to the Father and Jesus to you? What a misinterpretation.
How is it that you don't even understand the context of John 17:3. JWs keep on quoting that verse but did not understand what the real message is. Try again, you might get it right.

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

[Capbook]

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Good, can you honestly answer who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20 based on 1 John 5:11?
This is just to confirm from you that the Father was telling the truth or you will make the Father a liar.

[onewithhim]

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Good, can you honestly answer who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20 based on 1 John 5:11?
This is just to confirm from you that the Father was telling the truth or you will make the Father a liar.

We have eternal life because of Jesus Christ. He is the means of God's salvation for mankind. Jehovah God is the one spoken of in both verses. "And this is the witness given, that God gave us everlasting life and this life is in his Son." (1 John 5:11) I don't think that is making the Father a liar.

[Capbook]

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Good, can you honestly answer who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20 based on 1 John 5:11?
This is just to confirm from you that the Father was telling the truth or you will make the Father a liar.

We have eternal life because of Jesus Christ. He is the means of God's salvation for mankind. Jehovah God is the one spoken of in both verses. "And this is the witness given, that God gave us everlasting life and this life is in his Son." (1 John 5:11) I don't think that is making the Father a liar.

How about 1 John 5:20, do the Father's words in 1 John 5:11 that Jesus had the eternal life expires after the next nine verses?

[onewithhim]

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Good, can you honestly answer who has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20 based on 1 John 5:11?
This is just to confirm from you that the Father was telling the truth or you will make the Father a liar.

We have eternal life because of Jesus Christ. He is the means of God's salvation for mankind. Jehovah God is the one spoken of in both verses. "And this is the witness given, that God gave us everlasting life and this life is in his Son." (1 John 5:11) I don't think that is making the Father a liar.

How about 1 John 5:20, do the Father's words in 1 John 5:11 that Jesus had the eternal life expires after the next nine verses?

No, and I have given you my thoughts on those verses. Jesus is the Father's means of salvation. It is because of Jesus' sacrifice that we may have eternal life.

[placebofactor]

Sorry, Capbook, you are the one who doesn't understand what the real message is in John 17:3. It is clear as day that Jesus is separate from the Father, and he said to the Father that the Father alone is the only true God. How you twist that is almost comical.

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Are you saying Jesus is just a prop?

[onewithhim]

I believe we have eyes but cannot see? Can't we read the "this is eternal life" with the "and" in the text?
And who does have the life/eternal life in 1 John 5:11?

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Are you saying Jesus is just a prop?

Of course not. Jesus is Jehovah's means of saving the world. See John 3:16.

[placebofactor]

I don't see your point. You constantly say things without explaining what you mean. Can you make it clear?

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Are you saying Jesus is just a prop?

Of course not. Jesus is Jehovah's means of saving the world. See John 3:16.

So, Jehovah's Son is just a parrot as well as a prop for the Father, a stand-in. Why didn't the Father come himself to save the world? Why bother sending his Son to suffer the pains of the cross? The Father could have come down, said with a loud voice to all mortals, "Follow me, or die in your sins." Then give the world 1 year to straighten out. After one year, zap all sinners and save those who obeyed him.

[onewithhim]

I just remember the saying, "one word is enough for the wise."
I believe I have already presented this verses to you, can't you remember it?
Just answer the question, who has the life in 1 John 5:11?

1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Are you saying Jesus is just a prop?

Of course not. Jesus is Jehovah's means of saving the world. See John 3:16.

So, Jehovah's Son is just a parrot as well as a prop for the Father, a stand-in. Why didn't the Father come himself to save the world? Why bother sending his Son to suffer the pains of the cross? The Father could have come down, said with a loud voice to all mortals, "Follow me, or die in your sins." Then give the world 1 year to straighten out. After one year, zap all sinners and save those who obeyed him.

Because Jehovah is just what His Son knew and appreciated: too magnificent to be confined in any way to the speck of dust that is this earth. You think that the God who is responsible for creating the trillions of stars and planets in the universe could actually come down to this little planet? Your idea of God is startling.

"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have built?" (I Kings 8:27, KJV)

[placebofactor]

The eternal life that God gives is in Son. Jesus is the means by which Jehovah gives us life.

Are you saying Jesus is just a prop?

Of course not. Jesus is Jehovah's means of saving the world. See John 3:16.

So, Jehovah's Son is just a parrot as well as a prop for the Father, a stand-in. Why didn't the Father come himself to save the world? Why bother sending his Son to suffer the pains of the cross? The Father could have come down, said with a loud voice to all mortals, "Follow me, or die in your sins." Then give the world 1 year to straighten out. After one year, zap all sinners and save those who obeyed him.

Because Jehovah is just what His Son knew and appreciated: too magnificent to be confined in any way to the speck of dust that is this earth. You think that the God who is responsible for creating the trillions of stars and planets in the universe could actually come down to this little planet? Your idea of God is startling.

"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have built?" (I Kings 8:27, KJV)

Wait one minute, first you say Jehovah was the one who was with Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Jacob, Manoah, Haggar, Adam etc. Now you say the heavens cannot contain him. Is it door 1 or door 2?