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Equality between the Father and Son

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Did the Father have the power to raise or elevate his Son Jesus to the same rank as himself? Let us call the highest rank in heaven "the rank of God."

Hebrews 1:8, The Father said of his Son Jesus, "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom." Verse 9, "Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of Gladness above thy fellows." Verse 10, "And thou LORD (the Father calling his Son Jehovah), in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the works of your hands."

And is there the same degree of likeness, similarity, and dignity between the Father and Son? If so, then the Son can be called God because it's the Father's prerogative. And if it is the Father's privilege, who are we to deny it?

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:36 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:18 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 6:47 pm

Of course the throne itself isn't God! The throne means that all of the Messiah's power comes from God, just like the power that the Beast has in Revelation comes from the Devil. Did you read the account? "And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority." (Rev.13:2b)
Because you won't prefer rendition of the word for word Bible translation of "Your throne, O God," you chose from paraphrase "Your throne is God forever" as Historia described it as an awkward and unusual expression. Plain reading would be the "throne is Deity."
It is no paraphrase. It is what the Bible says. Go to the Tanakh at Psalm 45:8,9 and see for yourself. It's not an awkward expression. I posted Revelation 13:2b to show that that wording is well-known to those familiar with the Scriptures. The Devil gives his power to the Beast and his throne. The throne signifies that the power that the Beast has comes from the Devil. In Hebrews 1:8 the power and authority come from God to the Messiah.
I believe I have already proven and posted this verse from the Tanakh Aramaic Hebrew "Thy throne, O God," with its same corresponding Strong Number with the English translations of KJV. That does not say "the throne is God" by paraphrased Bibles.
The Tanakh says: "Your divine throne is forever." It does not call the Messiah "God."
Naturally, the Tanakh did not call the Messiah "God." It was a mystery revealed to John around 96 A.D.

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Re: Equality between the Father and Son

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placebofactor wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:04 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:36 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:18 am

Because you won't prefer rendition of the word for word Bible translation of "Your throne, O God," you chose from paraphrase "Your throne is God forever" as Historia described it as an awkward and unusual expression. Plain reading would be the "throne is Deity."
It is no paraphrase. It is what the Bible says. Go to the Tanakh at Psalm 45:8,9 and see for yourself. It's not an awkward expression. I posted Revelation 13:2b to show that that wording is well-known to those familiar with the Scriptures. The Devil gives his power to the Beast and his throne. The throne signifies that the power that the Beast has comes from the Devil. In Hebrews 1:8 the power and authority come from God to the Messiah.
I believe I have already proven and posted this verse from the Tanakh Aramaic Hebrew "Thy throne, O God," with its same corresponding Strong Number with the English translations of KJV. That does not say "the throne is God" by paraphrased Bibles.
The Tanakh says: "Your divine throne is forever." It does not call the Messiah "God."
Naturally, the Tanakh did not call the Messiah "God." It was a mystery revealed to John around 96 A.D.
The Jews were expecting some kind of Messiah since Jehovah said the words at Genesis 3:15. (See also Genesis 22:18, Genesis 49:10, Deut. 18:15,18.)

See Luke 3....John the Baptist was expecting the Messiah (verse 6), and before that verse, Simeon showed that the Messiah was looked for to come (chapter 2, verses 25-32). Anna came near to the baby Jesus when he was brought to the temple to be circumcised, and had been waiting for Jerusalem's deliverance (verse 38). Everyone was expecting Jehovah's means of deliverance, since way back in the day.

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Re: Equality between the Father and Son

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:42 pm
placebofactor wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:04 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:36 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 pm

It is no paraphrase. It is what the Bible says. Go to the Tanakh at Psalm 45:8,9 and see for yourself. It's not an awkward expression. I posted Revelation 13:2b to show that that wording is well-known to those familiar with the Scriptures. The Devil gives his power to the Beast and his throne. The throne signifies that the power that the Beast has comes from the Devil. In Hebrews 1:8 the power and authority come from God to the Messiah.
I believe I have already proven and posted this verse from the Tanakh Aramaic Hebrew "Thy throne, O God," with its same corresponding Strong Number with the English translations of KJV. That does not say "the throne is God" by paraphrased Bibles.
The Tanakh says: "Your divine throne is forever." It does not call the Messiah "God."
Naturally, the Tanakh did not call the Messiah "God." It was a mystery revealed to John around 96 A.D.
The Jews were expecting some kind of Messiah since Jehovah said the words at Genesis 3:15. (See also Genesis 22:18, Genesis 49:10, Deut. 18:15,18.)

See Luke 3....John the Baptist was expecting the Messiah (verse 6), and before that verse, Simeon showed that the Messiah was looked for to come (chapter 2, verses 25-32). Anna came near to the baby Jesus when he was brought to the temple to be circumcised, and had been waiting for Jerusalem's deliverance (verse 38). Everyone was expecting Jehovah's means of deliverance, since way back in the day.
I would like to correct you on one point. John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for Jehovah (Jesus). This was written in all 4 gospels because of its importance. John's announcement and Jesus' coming were the link between the old and new economies. The Prince of Peace was to have his coming proclaimed and his way prepared.

"Prepare you the way of the LORD," Every obstruction would be removed, revealing to the world the salvation of God in his beloved Son Jesus, whose name is the Savior = (Jesus)."

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Re: Equality between the Father and Son

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placebofactor wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 12:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:42 pm
placebofactor wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:04 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:36 am

I believe I have already proven and posted this verse from the Tanakh Aramaic Hebrew "Thy throne, O God," with its same corresponding Strong Number with the English translations of KJV. That does not say "the throne is God" by paraphrased Bibles.
The Tanakh says: "Your divine throne is forever." It does not call the Messiah "God."
Naturally, the Tanakh did not call the Messiah "God." It was a mystery revealed to John around 96 A.D.
The Jews were expecting some kind of Messiah since Jehovah said the words at Genesis 3:15. (See also Genesis 22:18, Genesis 49:10, Deut. 18:15,18.)

See Luke 3....John the Baptist was expecting the Messiah (verse 6), and before that verse, Simeon showed that the Messiah was looked for to come (chapter 2, verses 25-32). Anna came near to the baby Jesus when he was brought to the temple to be circumcised, and had been waiting for Jerusalem's deliverance (verse 38). Everyone was expecting Jehovah's means of deliverance, since way back in the day.
I would like to correct you on one point. John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for Jehovah (Jesus). This was written in all 4 gospels because of its importance. John's announcement and Jesus' coming were the link between the old and new economies. The Prince of Peace was to have his coming proclaimed and his way prepared.

"Prepare you the way of the LORD," Every obstruction would be removed, revealing to the world the salvation of God in his beloved Son Jesus, whose name is the Savior = (Jesus)."
Yes, my point was that Israel was looking for their deliverance for centuries.

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Re: Equality between the Father and Son

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:36 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:18 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 6:47 pm

Of course the throne itself isn't God! The throne means that all of the Messiah's power comes from God, just like the power that the Beast has in Revelation comes from the Devil. Did you read the account? "And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority." (Rev.13:2b)
Because you won't prefer rendition of the word for word Bible translation of "Your throne, O God," you chose from paraphrase "Your throne is God forever" as Historia described it as an awkward and unusual expression. Plain reading would be the "throne is Deity."
It is no paraphrase. It is what the Bible says. Go to the Tanakh at Psalm 45:8,9 and see for yourself. It's not an awkward expression. I posted Revelation 13:2b to show that that wording is well-known to those familiar with the Scriptures. The Devil gives his power to the Beast and his throne. The throne signifies that the power that the Beast has comes from the Devil. In Hebrews 1:8 the power and authority come from God to the Messiah.
I believe I have already proven and posted this verse from the Tanakh Aramaic Hebrew "Thy throne, O God," with its same corresponding Strong Number with the English translations of KJV. That does not say "the throne is God" by paraphrased Bibles.
The Tanakh says: "Your divine throne is forever." It does not call the Messiah "God."
You quote the translation, can you provide the Aramaic Hebrew of the text with Strong Numbers?
So we can compare to its English translations with Strong numbers.

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Re: Equality between the Father and Son

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:04 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:36 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:56 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:18 am

Because you won't prefer rendition of the word for word Bible translation of "Your throne, O God," you chose from paraphrase "Your throne is God forever" as Historia described it as an awkward and unusual expression. Plain reading would be the "throne is Deity."
It is no paraphrase. It is what the Bible says. Go to the Tanakh at Psalm 45:8,9 and see for yourself. It's not an awkward expression. I posted Revelation 13:2b to show that that wording is well-known to those familiar with the Scriptures. The Devil gives his power to the Beast and his throne. The throne signifies that the power that the Beast has comes from the Devil. In Hebrews 1:8 the power and authority come from God to the Messiah.
I believe I have already proven and posted this verse from the Tanakh Aramaic Hebrew "Thy throne, O God," with its same corresponding Strong Number with the English translations of KJV. That does not say "the throne is God" by paraphrased Bibles.
The Tanakh says: "Your divine throne is forever." It does not call the Messiah "God."
You quote the translation, can you provide the Aramaic Hebrew of the text with Strong Numbers?
So we can compare to its English translations with Strong numbers.
No! We can look at Psalm 45 and compare it with Hebrews 1:8. We don't need Strong numbers to see what is in front of our eyes.

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