CHRISTIANS: Which are yours?

[Avoice]

Christians:
What laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or understand? But you obey them anyway?
It seems like you are only accept the ones that you agree with.


You shall not steal
You shall not lie
etc...

Those aren't wrong because God said they are wrong. They're wrong because you know innately that they are wrong.
Your opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if you didn't know God existed.

Again, my question is what laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or they don't make sense but you keep them anyway? Name one.

[1213]

Your opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if you didn't know God existed.

How do you know?

Again, my question is what laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or they don't make sense but you keep them anyway?

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[Avoice]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

How do i know what?

[lastdaysbeliever]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

How do i know what?

It's your OP. 1213 commented with a very logical question, based on your claim "Your opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if you didn't know God existed". So, I join 1213 in asking, how do you know our opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if we didn't know God existed?

I hope that helps ease your confusion concerning 1213's question.

ldb

*edited for spelling and punctuation.

[Ray the atheist]

[Replying to Avoice in post #1]

" You shall not steal
You shall not lie
etc...

Those aren't wrong because God said they are wrong. They're wrong because you know innately that they are wrong. "
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We know that other animals have innate rudimentary morality.

So do humans.
However, our moral views are influenced by the societies we happen to live in.

The idea is called "Nature and Nurture" but you forgot to mention the nurture part.
Most of us are taught how to behave by our parents. We were nurtured to use the same moral principles and values as our society, even though we might always agree with them.

If I were the only human being, my 6 year old grandson says that everything would be free.
We would not have to pay for anything, there would be nobody to pay.

If we introduce other people, then when we take something that is not ours to begin with and don't pay, there will be legal consequences.

Lots of jails are full of people who have stolen property, they might have not taken other people into consideration when they did that.

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

How do i know what?

Thanks lastdaysbeliever. Yes, the question is, how do you know my opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if I didn't know God existed?

[Jester]

[Replying to Avoice in post #1]

Those aren't wrong because God said they are wrong. They're wrong because you know innately that they are wrong.
Your opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if you didn't know God existed.

I'm trying to work out the argument here, but struggle to follow the reasoning.

It seems parallel to this argument:
"You don't know that sunlight exists because you read about nuclear fusion in a textbook. You know it innately because you've experienced seeing sunlight.
Therefore, you should abandon your belief that nuclear fusion is the real source of sunlight, because you don't remotely need that theory to believe in sunlight."

Or this one:
"You don't know that 1 + 1 = 2 because of Russel's complex proof of the matter. You know that innately. Therefore, you should abandon your belief that Russel's proof is correct, because you don't remotely need that proof in order to believe that 1 + 1 = 2.

Setting aside any consideration about whether religion affects cultural attitudes about moral truths, why does knowing a thing exists through direct experience negate an argument about why that thing exists?

[bjs1]

[Replying to Avoice in post #1]

I’m not sure that “agree with” or “don’t agree with” has anything to do with it. The commands of my Lord are: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, strength and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself.

[RBD]

Christians:
What laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or understand? But you obey them anyway?
It seems like you are only accept the ones that you agree with.
You shall not steal
You shall not lie
etc...

Someone who only accepts doing what they agree with, would never argue for doing anything they don't like, or not doing anything they do like. Dittoes for any God or law they don't like.

Psalms{12:3}
The proud have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

Those aren't wrong because God said they are wrong. They're wrong because you know innately that they are wrong.
Your opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if you didn't know God existed.

Preaching a law unto yourself is nothing new. But declaring everyone else is the same, is just personal hubris.

Gen 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Again, my question is what laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or they don't make sense but you keep them anyway? Name one.

Not one.

Psalms{119:113}
I hate vain thoughts and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.


Jhn 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Keeping the Lord's law and commandments begins and ends with loving them all, because we love the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

[OneJack]

Christians:
What laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or understand? But you obey them anyway?
It seems like you are only accept the ones that you agree with.


You shall not steal
You shall not lie
etc...

Those aren't wrong because God said they are wrong. They're wrong because you know innately that they are wrong.
Your opinion of right and wrong wouldn't be any different if you didn't know God existed.

Again, my question is what laws, ordinances or commandments do you keep that you don't agree with or they don't make sense but you keep them anyway? Name one.

Christians obey and follow only the commands and teachings that they have heard and learned from the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone, their (Christians) only Pastor and Teacher across all generations. The Bible has nothing to do with what Christians follow, observe, and put into practice, but only with what they've heard and learned from their Teacher and Pastor, the Lord Jesus Christ.