Does the NT represent the words and thoughts of Jesus?

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Does the NT represent the words and thoughts of Jesus OR the words and thoughts of Paul/Saul and the gospel writers (with later changes and additions)?

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Could you give one event example from Qu'ran and Bhagavad Gita that you would like to know do I think it happened?

I could...

Sorry, I have no reason to believe you. But, what is your point in this debate, if you are not willing to defend your claims?

[Clownboat]

Could you give one event example from Qu'ran and Bhagavad Gita that you would like to know do I think it happened?

I could...

Sorry, I have no reason to believe you. But, what is your point in this debate, if you are not willing to defend your claims?

To save time and sanity, I will quote myself from post 38.

"Yes, the Qur'an has elements that humans cannot know on their own:
Detailed descriptions of the unseen world, including the nature of God, angels, the soul, heaven, hell, and the Day of Judgment, which human reason cannot discover independently.


So, did humans write the Qu'ran? If they did, was it because the events happened?
I'm asking because you said this: "I don't think humans could have written it, if it didn't really happen"
You don't seem to be consistent.

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...."Yes, the Qur'an has elements that humans cannot know on their own:
Detailed descriptions of the unseen world, including the nature of God, angels, the soul, heaven, hell, and the Day of Judgment, which human reason cannot discover independently.


So, did humans write the Qu'ran? If they did, was it because the events happened?

1) We can't know are those true.
2) He could have copied them form the Jews and Christians.

That is why it is different.

In the case of the Bible, I was not talking about things that we cannot yet see.

[Clownboat]

1) We can't know are those true.
2) He could have copied them form the Jews and Christians.

You obviously didn't think this through.
If they copied it from Jews and/or Christians, how would that make it any truer?
You need to ask yourself 1) above.

I said "I don't think humans could have written it, if it didn't really happen".

You already stated that all books we have were written by humans.
Therefore I ask, since humans wrote the Qur'an, is it because the events happened, or is this kind of reasoning actually faulty to determine if events happened in a book like I currently argue, but you use as justification?

You seem to be saying:
That is terrible reasoning, unless I'm using it!

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...Therefore I ask, since humans wrote the Qur'an, is it because the events happened, or is this kind of reasoning actually faulty to determine if events happened in a book like I currently argue, but you use as justification?

Please tell one example of event that happened?

By what I know,most of the Quran seems to be just copying the Bible, not very original, nor something that the person could not have know on his own, without divine intervention or something like that.

[Clownboat]

Please tell one example of event that happened?

John F Kennedy was assassinated.

By what I know, most of the Quran seems to be just copying the Bible,

I acknowledge this ignorance and how it guides your thinking.

By the way, it was your reasoning that was on trial here, not the Quran.
Copy/paste: "Therefore I ask, since humans wrote the Qur'an, is it because the events happened, or is this kind of reasoning actually faulty to determine if events happened in a book like I currently argue, but you use as justification?"

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Please tell one example of event that happened?

John F Kennedy was assassinated.

Sorry, I meant, event that happened according to the Quran.

By what I know, most of the Quran seems to be just copying the Bible,

I acknowledge this ignorance and how it guides your thinking.

Ignorance? Please tell one example of original information in the Quran, that is not something that was not already said in the Bible?

[Clownboat]

Please tell one example of event that happened?

John F Kennedy was assassinated.

Sorry, I meant, event that happened according to the Quran.

I'm sorry, but religious promotional material is not a valid way for determining if claimed events happened in said religious promotional material. Do you disagree and find religious promotional material to be valid way to determine if claimed events happened in said material?

By what I know, most of the Quran seems to be just copying the Bible,

I acknowledge this ignorance and how it guides your thinking.

Ignorance?

Yes. You think that the Qur'an copied the Bible. This is ignorant.

Please tell one example of original information in the Quran, that is not something that was not already said in the Bible?

If I do this, will you promise to correct your ignorance and never make this mistake again in your life?

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Sorry, I meant, event that happened according to the Quran.

I'm sorry, but religious promotional material is not a valid way for determining if claimed events happened in said religious promotional material. Do you disagree and find religious promotional material to be valid way to determine if claimed events happened in said material?

It seems to me that you have lost the plot. It was not for you to determine did the things happen.

You think that the Qur'an copied the Bible. This is ignorant.

Why do you think it is ignorant?

Please tell one example of original information in the Quran, that is not something that was not already said in the Bible?

If I do this, will you promise to correct your ignorance and never make this mistake again in your life?

No need to do it, thank you.

[Clownboat]

I'm sorry, but religious promotional material is not a valid way for determining if claimed events happened in said religious promotional material. Do you disagree and find religious promotional material to be valid way to determine if claimed events happened in said material?

It seems to me that you have lost the plot. It was not for you to determine did the things happen.

Readers, do you notice how this response doesn't address the direct question that was asked?

You think that the Qur'an copied the Bible. This is ignorant.

Why do you think it is ignorant?

It is ignorant because the Quran did not copy the Bible. They would be the same book if they were copies and similar if poor copies. They are neither of these things. Even the god concepts in both differ, but you know this already.