Biblical Law?

[POI]

According to the Bible, many acts/actions are against "the law". All such acts/actions would also be deemed 'sin', and/or, 'missing the mark'. Further, some of these deemed broken laws are also punishable by death in various ways.

God has the opportunity to list (any/all) acts/actions in which he deems "unlawful" and/or "sinful". And yet, the topic of (owning other humans as property for life, for which can be beaten with impunity for life), somehow did NOT make it to the large list of God's "no-no's"? A matter-of-fact, it is quite the opposite; in that the Bible instead condones owning humans as property - for which can be beaten just short of death, for their lifetime.

For debate:

1) If God has the power to abolish (any/all) acts/actions in which he does not like, (while also knowing countless people will just violate many of them anyways), why then exclude the topic of 'chattel slavery' from the list of no-no's and instead condone it?

2) Why worship a God which disagrees with your moral compass? Unless you believe it IS moral to own other humans as permanent property as a form of "chattel slaves"?

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P.S. -- And for the record, some may try to wiggle out of this topic by sighting the 'golden rule' - as mentioned in Leviticus 19:18 and also in the "NT". However, this argument fails because then God would not need to bother with virtually any listed "no-no's". And yet, bothers to list MANY "no-no's" anyways. And further, instead goes out of his way to condone chattel slavery. Which, at best for the believer, is a contradiction to the listed 'golden rule.' But we all know that the rules aren't the same for all, when it comes to the ('Jewish' vs 'non-Jewish') men, women, and children alike...

[OneJack]

According to the Bible, many acts/actions are against "the law". All such acts/actions would also be deemed 'sin', and/or, 'missing the mark'. Further, some of these deemed broken laws are also punishable by death in various ways.

God has the opportunity to list (any/all) acts/actions in which he deems "unlawful" and/or "sinful". And yet, the topic of (owning other humans as property for life, for which can be beaten with impunity for life), somehow did NOT make it to the large list of God's "no-no's"? A matter-of-fact, it is quite the opposite; in that the Bible instead condones owning humans as property - for which can be beaten just short of death, for their lifetime.

For debate:

1) If God has the power to abolish (any/all) acts/actions in which he does not like, (while also knowing countless people will just violate many of them anyways), why then exclude the topic of 'chattel slavery' from the list of no-no's and instead condone it?

2) Why worship a God which disagrees with your moral compass? Unless you believe it IS moral to own other humans as permanent property as a form of "chattel slaves"?

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P.S. -- And for the record, some may try to wiggle out of this topic by sighting the 'golden rule' - as mentioned in Leviticus 19:18 and also in the "NT". However, this argument fails because then God would not need to bother with virtually any listed "no-no's". And yet, bothers to list MANY "no-no's" anyways. And further, instead goes out of his way to condone chattel slavery. Which, at best for the believer, is a contradiction to the listed 'golden rule.' But we all know that the rules aren't the same for all, when it comes to the ('Jewish' vs 'non-Jewish') men, women, and children alike...

Just a penny for our thoughts:

It is evident from the statements above that God is the one being blamed—or, to use a legal analogy, God is the accused while the author acts as the accuser. Clearly, the Bible is not God; yet, the accuser bases these charges on the Bible, effectively attributing whatever is written therein to God. He places those words in God's mouth.

This case against God could [immediately] be dismissed at the level of the public prosecutor's office due to the lack of a valid basis for the accusations; it is glaringly obvious that the accuser, based on his pronouncements and accusations, has neither witnessed nor heard a single thing from God that would directly substantiate the violations mentioned above.

[1213]

....owning other humans as property for life, for which can be beaten with impunity for life...

The whole question seems to be a strawman argument.

If one follows all the Biblical rules, he cannot keep anyone as a slave against the persons will.

Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Exod. 21:16
You shall not hand over to his master a slave that has escaped from his master to you.
Deut. 23:15

And you could as well tell that according to the Bible, you can beat anyone with inpunity. No punishment for beating people. But, it is not possible, if one loves his neighbor as himself. But, apparently that is not a law you care. Also, in the case of slaves:

If a man strikes his servant's eye, or his maid's eye, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. If he strikes out his man-servant's tooth, or his maid-servant's tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
Exod. 21:26-27

[POI]

Okay, it is clear you cannot help yourself and feel the need to reply to my post(s), even though I have informed you again and again not to... Your persistence prevails here....

....owning other humans as property for life, for which can be beaten with impunity for life...

The whole question seems to be a strawman argument.

And yet, it is not a strawman argument at all. See the receipts below. Please remember 1213, if you wish to use the Bible, so can I:

..."owning other humans as property for life" is explained here -> (Leviticus 25:44-46) - 44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.

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And as I stated in the OP, the rules differ if you are an Israelite, as the rest of verse 46 indicates.

And "for which can be beaten with impunity for life" is explained here -> (Exodus 21:20-21) - 20 When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property.

If one follows all the Biblical rules, he cannot keep anyone as a slave against the persons will.

Sure they can, especially if they are born into it, and/or a female. Nowhere does the passages express the need for their permission to be held as property for life:

(Exodus 21:4) - If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone.

(Exodus 21:7) - When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Exod. 21:16

Exodus 21:4 & 7 both exclude kidnapping. Leviticus 45:44-46 also excludes kidnapping.

You shall not hand over to his master a slave that has escaped from his master to you.
Deut. 23:15

I have no problem with this passage. Meaning, if they should happen to actually escape, let them be. But I have to ask, under 'Biblical slavery', WHY the heck would any slave ever try to escape in the first place?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?

And you could as well tell that according to the Bible, you can beat anyone with inpunity. No punishment for beating people. But, it is not possible, if one loves his neighbor as himself. But, apparently that is not a law you care. Also, in the case of slaves

Great, You acknowledge that the Bible instructs no punishment for beating your slaves.

If the Bible can instruct punishment for other crimes which would also violate the 'golden rule', then why did the Bible instead explicitly advise NO punishment for beating your slave property -- as long as they do not die right away, or loose eyes and teeth?

If a man strikes his servant's eye, or his maid's eye, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. If he strikes out his man-servant's tooth, or his maid-servant's tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
Exod. 21:26-27

Yes! This is exactly why all slaves received their lashes to the back. This way, eyes and teeth remain intact. Again, please observe Exodus 21:21. You whip them really good, they heel, and then it's back to work! No intelligent slave master is going to kill or permanently hinder their own labor force. A blind slave is a useless slave.

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Getting to the meat-and-potatoes, why worship a god which condones chattel slavery?

[POI]

[Replying to OneJack in post #2]

If you are admitting that god did not inspire this passage, then I have to ask... How do we know which passages god did inspire?

If you are instead saying that god did not inspire the Bible at all, then yes, I would agree. It is just a man-made book filled with some good ideas, some bad ideas, some weird ideas, some right things, some wrong things, etc.... You know, just like all other ancient books written way-back-when in which both you and I agree were the works of men alone...

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #2]
If you are instead saying that god did not inspire the Bible at all, then yes, I would agree. It is just a man-made book filled with some good ideas, some bad ideas, some weird ideas, some right things, some wrong things, etc.... You know, just like all other ancient books written way-back-when in which both you and I agree were the works of men alone...

Yes, the bible, per se, is not the one inspired by God. The original handwritten scriptures, which God uttered are all lost, as taught [to us] by God. And He (the Lord) further said that the bible contains many errors and accounts that are not included in the original inspired scriptures, the ratio of which is three to the total pages of the bible.

[POI]

[Replying to OneJack in post #2]
If you are instead saying that god did not inspire the Bible at all, then yes, I would agree. It is just a man-made book filled with some good ideas, some bad ideas, some weird ideas, some right things, some wrong things, etc.... You know, just like all other ancient books written way-back-when in which both you and I agree were the works of men alone...

Yes, the bible, per se, is not the one inspired by God. The original handwritten scriptures, which God uttered are all lost, as taught [to us] by God. And He (the Lord) further said that the bible contains many errors and accounts that are not included in the original inspired scriptures, the ratio of which is three to the total pages of the bible.

Then how exactly do you know what your believed upon Lord wants us to do, verses not? How are you also so sure he does not actually condone chattel slavery? Maybe the allowance for chattel slavery is in one of those 'three total pages'?

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #2]
If you are instead saying that god did not inspire the Bible at all, then yes, I would agree. It is just a man-made book filled with some good ideas, some bad ideas, some weird ideas, some right things, some wrong things, etc.... You know, just like all other ancient books written way-back-when in which both you and I agree were the works of men alone...

Yes, the bible, per se, is not the one inspired by God. The original handwritten scriptures, which God uttered are all lost, as taught [to us] by God. And He (the Lord) further said that the bible contains many errors and accounts that are not included in the original inspired scriptures, the ratio of which is three to the total pages of the bible.

Then how exactly do you know what your believed upon Lord wants us to do, verses not?

Plain and simple, come to and call on God, whom we all do not see yet, and ask Him. The Almighty God alone is the one who can say those things to all of us today without fail.

How are you also so sure he does not actually condone chattel slavery?

The things He told us to put into practice and the way He shepherded and guided us prove beyond a reasonable doubt that He is the Lord God who does not condone killings, chattel slavery, evil works, etc. All the commands of killing in the bible are all hoaxed in accordance to the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ today.

Maybe the allowance for chattel slavery is in one of those 'three total pages'?

Everything is intact in God's mouth.

[POI]

Plain and simple, come to and call on God, whom we all do not see yet, and ask Him. The Almighty God alone is the one who can say those things to all of us today without fail.

I work in an environment where countless people claim to speak to countless variations of the same god, and/or differing god(s). If all claim god speaks to them, then how might one know they are not mistaken in reality, and/or receiving responses from some external source other than god himself? Case/point, person A claims to receive a response from god x, while person B claims to receive a response from god y. Only (3) logical conclusions exist here:

1) Person A is correct and person B is mistaken/deceived/lying
2) Person B is correct and person A is mistaken/deceived/lying
3) Both are likely mistaken/deceived/lying

The things He told us to put into practice and the way He shepherded and guided us prove beyond a reasonable doubt that He is the Lord God who does not condone killings, chattel slavery, evil works, etc. All the commands of killing in the bible are all hoaxed in accordance to the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ today.

Why are you so sure about this?

[1213]

Okay, it is clear you cannot help yourself and feel the need to reply to my post(s), even though I have informed you again and again not to... Your persistence prevails here....

Thank you.

And yet, it is not a strawman argument at all....

When you try to ignore all scriptures that set good limits to the slavery, it is a strawman argument.

And as I stated in the OP, the rules differ if you are an Israelite, as the rest of verse 46 indicates.

And "for which can be beaten with impunity for life" is explained here -> (Exodus 21:20-21) - 20 When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property.

By your logic you could as well beat everyone else with impunity. There is no punishment determined for beating your neighbor, so, is it ok to do so? Why make this only issue about slaves, when the same is with anyone else?

If one follows all the Biblical rules, he cannot keep anyone as a slave against the persons will.

Sure they can, especially if they are born into it, and/or a female. Nowhere does the passages express the need for their permission to be held as property for life:

(Exodus 21:4) - If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone.

(Exodus 21:7) - When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.

Anyone who kidnaps someone and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Exod. 21:16

Exodus 21:4 & 7 both exclude kidnapping. Leviticus 45:44-46 also excludes kidnapping.

If you take or keep someone as your slave against his will, it is kidnapping and you deserve death. So, no, you cannot force anyone to be your slave, without going against that.

You shall not hand over to his master a slave that has escaped from his master to you.
Deut. 23:15

I have no problem with this passage. Meaning, if they should happen to actually escape, let them be. But I have to ask, under 'Biblical slavery', WHY the heck would any slave ever try to escape in the first place?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?

For example because the owner is unrighteous, doesn't care about God's rules and beats mindlessly other people.

If the Bible can instruct punishment for other crimes which would also violate the 'golden rule', then why did the Bible instead explicitly advise NO punishment for beating your slave property -- as long as they do not die right away, or loose eyes and teeth?

Is there any punishment for beating your neighbor? If not, why would there be for beating a slave?

The rules are obviously given to reasonable people. They can understand that if you beat your slave, he escapes or doesn't work for you well.

If a man strikes his servant's eye, or his maid's eye, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. If he strikes out his man-servant's tooth, or his maid-servant's tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
Exod. 21:26-27

Yes! This is exactly why all slaves received their lashes to the back. This way, eyes and teeth remain intact. Again, please observe Exodus 21:21. You whip them really good, they heel, and then it's back to work! No intelligent slave master is going to kill or permanently hinder their own labor force. A blind slave is a useless slave.

And no intelligent master beats other people, because it is not beneficial for him. Or what say you, would you work harder, if your employer would hit you randomly?

Getting to the meat-and-potatoes, why worship a god which condones chattel slavery?

I have no problem with slavery, as long as person is not forced to be a slave. But, I think people should not be slaves. That is why I am against mandatory taxation, which makes the people slaves for the politicians, who don't care about God's rules at all.

do not become slaves of men.
1 Cor. 7:23