Who's side is God on?

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Who's side is God on?

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I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
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Both us and them. Ours and theirs. Everyone's and no one's. God favors the rich and the poor, the foreign and native, the content and the discontent alike. God favors the animals and plants and humans and rocks and stellar objects. And yet, God also hates them all.
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achilles12604 wrote:Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
In my opinion (and all expressed in these threads is opinion), "god" is not on anyone's side. Each religious person in each conflict or confrontation apparently believes that "god" is on his side (just as does his opponent). They may be referring to different "gods" pr they may worship the same gods in different ways.

However, there is no evidence that any "gods" take sides on any issue -- or that they exist. Granting for the moment that gods exist, there is no evidence of the preferences of gods (other than very old, unreliable writings).

The "God blesses my war" or "God wants me to kill those evil people" are statements that are used to justify war and killing (or at least competition, conflict and confrontation).

I am interested in your ephinany, Achilles.
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achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
Clear to me and I don't even have a belief in any of this: The 1st commandment is Thou Shall have no other gods before me (or words to that effect), therefore right up front it is clear who the other side is. God is on God's side and on the other side are the other Gods.

Various religious people bet on the different sides to win, some bet across the board for a place. Some switch before the close.

Atheists don't gamble (or haven't actually worked out where to place our soul on the table because we either haven't worked out if there is a game at all being played or we feel it's a sucker bet across the board with the odds of the house (who we call "nature") always winning in the end.).

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byofrcs wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
Clear to me and I don't even have a belief in any of this: The 1st commandment is Thou Shall have no other gods before me (or words to that effect), therefore right up front it is clear who the other side is. God is on God's side and on the other side are the other Gods.
Seems to me there's lots of former Hindus, Buddhist's, and so on that God brought over to salvation. So I don't think that God gives up on anyone as quickly as you might think.

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achilles12604 wrote:I had an epiphany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
I'm sure that God is happy that He does not have to make these decisions for himself.
achilles12604 wrote:Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
God is on the side of the Good Guys and is against the Evildoers, don't you know?
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Seems to me there's lots of former Hindus, Buddhist's, and so on that God brought over to salvation. So I don't think that God gives up on anyone as quickly as you might think.
There are also a lot of Christians and "so on" that have been brought over to another man's salvation. Last time I checked, the Catholic Church was on the decline, there was a rise in secularism, and Buddhism (certain non-theistic aspects) was on the increase in the West. I lack data to prove this. Do you have global figures that demonstrate a world-wide swing to Christianity, or is it only in the currently Christian countries that God chooses to reach out to the heathens?

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Who's side is God on?
The winners side.
What makes you believe that this is true?
First I have to make some big "IF"s.
-God exists
-God chooses sides
-God is all powerful

Taking those premises the conclusion is that the winner is the one that God choose to back. I guess that means God really is a Cowboys fan. :P

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achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
He is on My side. God speaks to me all the time. He says you guys are not True Christians, but I am. He says you do not reach for God in a proper way like I do, and I am one of the few True Christians in the world, and i will have a place in heaven when i die for him.

He tells me to protect the world from Evil people. He says bad pretend Christians should die, and i should do this, He says i am his tool. I am Gods Tool. And that will make the world a better place.

Strangely enough, people do not accept what I am saying, really very hypocritical if i say so myself, I am speaking to God and listen to his voice. Like Bush.

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achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
God is not on anyones side. All people are God's children.. and God will not play favoritism for anybody.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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