I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.
So the question for debate is this. . .
Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
Who's side is God on?
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Who's side is God on?
Post #1It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.
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Both us and them. Ours and theirs. Everyone's and no one's. God favors the rich and the poor, the foreign and native, the content and the discontent alike. God favors the animals and plants and humans and rocks and stellar objects. And yet, God also hates them all.
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Re: Who's side is God on?
Post #3.
However, there is no evidence that any "gods" take sides on any issue -- or that they exist. Granting for the moment that gods exist, there is no evidence of the preferences of gods (other than very old, unreliable writings).
The "God blesses my war" or "God wants me to kill those evil people" are statements that are used to justify war and killing (or at least competition, conflict and confrontation).
I am interested in your ephinany, Achilles.
In my opinion (and all expressed in these threads is opinion), "god" is not on anyone's side. Each religious person in each conflict or confrontation apparently believes that "god" is on his side (just as does his opponent). They may be referring to different "gods" pr they may worship the same gods in different ways.achilles12604 wrote:Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
However, there is no evidence that any "gods" take sides on any issue -- or that they exist. Granting for the moment that gods exist, there is no evidence of the preferences of gods (other than very old, unreliable writings).
The "God blesses my war" or "God wants me to kill those evil people" are statements that are used to justify war and killing (or at least competition, conflict and confrontation).
I am interested in your ephinany, Achilles.
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Re: Who's side is God on?
Post #4Clear to me and I don't even have a belief in any of this: The 1st commandment is Thou Shall have no other gods before me (or words to that effect), therefore right up front it is clear who the other side is. God is on God's side and on the other side are the other Gods.achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.
So the question for debate is this. . .
Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
Various religious people bet on the different sides to win, some bet across the board for a place. Some switch before the close.
Atheists don't gamble (or haven't actually worked out where to place our soul on the table because we either haven't worked out if there is a game at all being played or we feel it's a sucker bet across the board with the odds of the house (who we call "nature") always winning in the end.).
Re: Who's side is God on?
Post #5Seems to me there's lots of former Hindus, Buddhist's, and so on that God brought over to salvation. So I don't think that God gives up on anyone as quickly as you might think.byofrcs wrote:Clear to me and I don't even have a belief in any of this: The 1st commandment is Thou Shall have no other gods before me (or words to that effect), therefore right up front it is clear who the other side is. God is on God's side and on the other side are the other Gods.achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.
So the question for debate is this. . .
Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
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Re: Who's side is God on?
Post #6I'm sure that God is happy that He does not have to make these decisions for himself.achilles12604 wrote:I had an epiphany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
God is on the side of the Good Guys and is against the Evildoers, don't you know?achilles12604 wrote:Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
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There are also a lot of Christians and "so on" that have been brought over to another man's salvation. Last time I checked, the Catholic Church was on the decline, there was a rise in secularism, and Buddhism (certain non-theistic aspects) was on the increase in the West. I lack data to prove this. Do you have global figures that demonstrate a world-wide swing to Christianity, or is it only in the currently Christian countries that God chooses to reach out to the heathens?Seems to me there's lots of former Hindus, Buddhist's, and so on that God brought over to salvation. So I don't think that God gives up on anyone as quickly as you might think.
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The winners side.Who's side is God on?
First I have to make some big "IF"s.What makes you believe that this is true?
-God exists
-God chooses sides
-God is all powerful
Taking those premises the conclusion is that the winner is the one that God choose to back. I guess that means God really is a Cowboys fan.

Re: Who's side is God on?
Post #9He is on My side. God speaks to me all the time. He says you guys are not True Christians, but I am. He says you do not reach for God in a proper way like I do, and I am one of the few True Christians in the world, and i will have a place in heaven when i die for him.achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.
So the question for debate is this. . .
Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
He tells me to protect the world from Evil people. He says bad pretend Christians should die, and i should do this, He says i am his tool. I am Gods Tool. And that will make the world a better place.
Strangely enough, people do not accept what I am saying, really very hypocritical if i say so myself, I am speaking to God and listen to his voice. Like Bush.
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Re: Who's side is God on?
Post #10God is not on anyones side. All people are God's children.. and God will not play favoritism for anybody.achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.
But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.
So the question for debate is this. . .
Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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