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[Cephus]

That's quite the flood story, the one I usually refer to is found in the book of Genesis.

Unfortunately, what you fail to recognize is that *IS* the flood story found in Genesis. Unless you want to claim that God was performing a dozen miracles every second for the duration, then hundreds more to hide the evidence afterwards, your side has completely lost. If you do want to claim that, your side is no more worthy of evaluation than magical fairies and Santa Claus.

Either way, you lose.

[Metatron]

Yes, goofy sums it up nicely. One has to ignore physics, biology, geology, and common sense to believe in the Genesis flood account.

Are you a leading expert in physics, biology, geology, or the Genesis flood account? If not, are you qualified to call the Genesis flood account "goofy"? Do you have any independent impartial non-evolutionary scientists with knowledge in the relevant fields of science and biblical exegesis who would support your claim that the Genesis flood account is goofy?

...Those are the sort of changes that happen over thousands of years of evolution...

Do you have any independent, impartial, verifiable evidence to support this claim?

I do not have to be an expert in physics, biology, etc. to understand that one can't fit over a million species in a single wooden boat, much less keep them all alive for the entire alleged time of the flood. Nor do I have to be an expert to recognize that there is no geological evidence for the trillions of tons of water that magically appeared in the hydrosphere of earth and then magically disappeared. Nor the fact that the massive changes in salinity in the water would have killed off all ocean and freshwater life. Nor that there is no reasonable explanation how a million plus species migrated from Mt. Ararat to all seven continents across oceans and the extreme variety of environmental conditions between Asia Minor and their "homes".

All that is required is common sense.

That's quite the flood story, the one I usually refer to is found in the book of Genesis.

So what exactly do you deem inaccurate about my interpretation of the Genesis flood account. Did God not include two of every species of animal in the ark? Was there not a great flood of water so great that it covered all of the mountains of the world? Wouldn't a massive increase in water that enveloped both oceans and freshwater lakes and rivers dramatically change the salinity levels in these bodies? If all of the surviving animals on earth came from the ark at Mt. Ararat, would they not have to somehow get back to their natural environments around the world?

Your response does nothing to refute anything that I stated above.

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[Openmind]

A noticeable lack of answers now arises.

[Cephus]

Is anyone really surprised? McCulloch called it at the beginning of the thread, nobody is going to even try to answer the issues because there are no intelligent answers. You'll just get mindless sheep going "God did it!" but that's about it.

[Fisherking]

Did God not include two of every [strike]species[/strike][kind] of animal in the ark?

"Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive"

Was there not a great flood of water so great that it covered all of the mountains of the world?

Sure, does it specify the size of the mountains before and after the flood?

Wouldn't a massive increase in water that enveloped both oceans and freshwater lakes and rivers dramatically change the salinity levels in these bodies?

What were the salinity levels at that time?

If all of the surviving animals on earth came from the ark at Mt. Ararat, would they not have to somehow get back to their natural environments around the world?

What were their natural environments? Did their natural environments even exist after the flood?

nobody is going to even try to answer the issues because there are no intelligent answers.

Maybe there are no intelligent questions to give intelligent answers to

[Metatron]

Did God not include two of every [strike]species[/strike][kind] of animal in the ark?

"Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive"

Yes, the ancient Hebrews did not have the word "species" since they did not have a scientific classification system. (These are after all the same people (and God apparently) who thought that bats were birds.) So perhaps you would be so kind as to define the word "kind". Are you maintaining that Noah did not save two of all of the world's animals in his ark? If not, where did they come from? Surely they did not all EVOLVE from some base species (or "kinds") that were saved?

Was there not a great flood of water so great that it covered all of the mountains of the world?

Sure, does it specify the size of the mountains before and after the flood?

Doesn't matter. Even if we were to assume (based on absolutely nothing I might add) that for some inexplicable reason all of the world's mountains were small by mountain standards, the water required to cover them would still be enormous and would exert incredible pressure which could not help but be observed by geologists.

Are you claiming that the Himalayas, the Andes, etc. were all thrust up many thousands of feet sometime after the Flood? On what is this conjecture base on?

Wouldn't a massive increase in water that enveloped both oceans and freshwater lakes and rivers dramatically change the salinity levels in these bodies?

What were the salinity levels at that time?

Who cares? Salt water fish require a particular level of salinity in the water to survive. Fresh water fish cannot live in salt water. A massive world wide flood would radically change the salt level in the oceans killing salt water fish. A massive world wide flood would cause oceans to merge with existing fresh water sources thus increasing their salinity level to poisonous levels for fresh water fish. All fish on earth would be dead.

If all of the surviving animals on earth came from the ark at Mt. Ararat, would they not have to somehow get back to their natural environments around the world?

What were their natural environments? Did their natural environments even exist after the flood?

What are you talking about? You don't recognize that there is a difference between the natural environment that a penguin lives in versus a tiger? One lives in an arctic type of environment while the other lives in a tropical environment. Neither of these environments existed at Mt. Ararat.

Apparently, the aforementioned penguin and tiger had to travel from Asia Minor for thousands of miles across oceans and/or environments they were ill-suited for in order to get to their present locations. Not to mention that two of every "kind" had to make this trip from their natural environments to where ever Noah was building his ark.

nobody is going to even try to answer the issues because there are no intelligent answers.

Maybe there are no intelligent questions to give intelligent answers to

Or maybe the Biblical flood story is a myth lifted from the Epic of Gilgamesh which predates it.

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