The Qu'ran

[McCulloch]

quraan is written by allah but other books written by person so you have to read it to make sure

Well i am sure the quran is much unique from among all the other books. [...] the quran has never been changed. The quran was and is as god says himself in the quran that the quran is copyrighted. So there are millions of copys in the world in many translation--but all the same thing. Ones in english, urdu, arabic, chinese, brail... and so on. So which one shall you read? The one that says Quran or koran or coran on the cover. And as the biggining chapter introduces the author (god). You can order many free ones from islam tomorow, or even better go to your local mosque.[...]

So I went to the quran. I read it and I felt closer to god in my whole life. I actually cryed. And now i am closer to god then ever.

I have been invited to read the Qu'ran. It has been claimed that it has the answers to the questions, How can I know if God exists? and How can I know what God wants of me? It has been implied that the divine truth of the Quran is self-evident.

For Debate: If you have read the Qu'ran or part of it, is its divine origin self-evident? Does it make a convincing argument for the existence of God?

[McCulloch]

The opening is a short request for God's help and a bit of a praise for God. Not much there that I wouldn't have heard in a Christian church. No evidence, no apology, nothing startling.

[McCulloch]

The second bit is much longer, 286 verses. It is called the Cow, for no apparent reason. It starts with Alif. Lam. Mim. I suppose that is meaningful too.

Really nice threat of an awful doom for those who disbelieve, even though it claims that Allah himself has sealed the hearing and their hearts of the disbelievers. Allah seems to be about as fair as the Calvinist or Augustinian God.

Proclamations of Allah's creative wonder and the predicable demise of the unbelievers. But no reason is given for believing.

Here's a gem

And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful.

It appears as if the evidence of this book's divine authorship is the bold claim that it is stylistically unique.

Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth.

This one is a good one. It does not answer my questions, but I like the principle.

Up to 2:75. Better written than the Book of Mormon. Nothing stupendous or revealing. Sure hope that it gets better.

[muhammad rasullah]

The second bit is much longer, 286 verses. It is called the Cow, for no apparent reason. It starts with Alif. Lam. Mim. I suppose that is meaningful too.

Really nice threat of an awful doom for those who disbelieve, even though it claims that Allah himself has sealed the hearing and their hearts of the disbelievers. Allah seems to be about as fair as the Calvinist or Augustinian God.

Proclamations of Allah's creative wonder and the predicable demise of the unbelievers. But no reason is given for believing.

Here's a gem

And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful.

It appears as if the evidence of this book's divine authorship is the bold claim that it is stylistically unique.

Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth.

This one is a good one. It does not answer my questions, but I like the principle.

Up to 2:75. Better written than the Book of Mormon. Nothing stupendous or revealing. Sure hope that it gets better.

The second bit is much longer, 286 verses. It is called the Cow, for no apparent reason. It starts with Alif. Lam. Mim. I suppose that is meaningful too.

It is only Allah who knows the meaning of Alif. Lam. Mim.

Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth.

This one is a good one. It does not answer my questions, but I like the principle

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What is the question you have?
Attantion to detail about how the quran is written unlike other books it is not written like a novel or a story.

[McCulloch]

It is only Allah who knows the meaning of Alif. Lam. Mim.

And here I was thinking that the Qu'ran was Allah's communication to humans. Why include stuff in a communication that the recipient has no ability to understand? That is just bad communication.

What is the question you have?

How can I know that God exists? How can I know what God wants of me, if he exists?

[CONVERTED TO ISLAM]

you will never know about allah exists but when you use your head to think about that and when you know the tafseer (explaining) of the quraan meanings to know why allah said any ayah
so use your brain to answer your questions
i think you must answer these questions

1- who created the first person in the world?
2- who created the first animal (chimpanzees or monkeys ...etc) ?
3- if mohammed (pbuh) can not read or write so who wrote quraan?
4- if there was a creator so why we created ?

answer these questions by using your mind not random answers please
think about the answers before you write them
if you need any help just tell me i will do my best for you
best wishes
brock

[McCulloch]

you will never know about allah exists but when you use your head to think about that and when you know the tafseer (explaining) of the quraan meanings to know why allah said any ayah
so use your brain to answer your questions
i think you must answer these questions

1- who created the first person in the world?
2- who created the first animal (chimpanzees or monkeys ...etc) ?
3- if mohammed (pbuh) can not read or write so who wrote quraan?
4- if there was a creator so why we created ?

answer these questions by using your mind not random answers please
think about the answers before you write them

To address the first and second questions, why do you assume that there was a first human in the world? Evolutionary theory states that there is a gradual progression from one form into subsequent forms. So, asking who is the first human is much like asking you what day you became an adult. You are an adult, but there was no single day that you were significantly taller or more mature than the day before.

I don't know that Mohammad could not read nor write. Do you?

The fourth question is relevant and important. If there is a sentient creator, we should seek to find out why we are created. I seriously doubt that there was a sentient creator. But I also doubt that the Qu'ran is the revelation from such a creator. Provide some evidence to the contrary and I will revise my views.

[CONVERTED TO ISLAM]

you will never know about allah exists but when you use your head to think about that and when you know the tafseer (explaining) of the quraan meanings to know why allah said any ayah
so use your brain to answer your questions
i think you must answer these questions

1- who created the first person in the world?
2- who created the first animal (chimpanzees or monkeys ...etc) ?
3- if mohammed (pbuh) can not read or write so who wrote quraan?
4- if there was a creator so why we created ?

answer these questions by using your mind not random answers please
think about the answers before you write them

To address the first and second questions, why do you assume that there was a first human in the world? Evolutionary theory states that there is a gradual progression from one form into subsequent forms. So, asking who is the first human is much like asking you what day you became an adult. You are an adult, but there was no single day that you were significantly taller or more mature than the day before.

I don't know that Mohammed could not read nor write. Do you?

The fourth question is relevant and important. If there is a sentient creator, we should seek to find out why we are created. I seriously doubt that there was a sentient creator. But I also doubt that the Qu'ran is the revelation from such a creator. Provide some evidence to the contrary and I will revise my views.

that is horrible .. you said your parents are created you and their parents created your parents so go to the first human.
first human must be created by a god
you said it,s a chimpanzees but i asked you who created the chimpanzees but i never read your answers
so i asked you to use your head before you answer the questions
i know you clever my dear friend
no body can create him self (the first human )
now.. i want you right now to answer this question please my dear friend

- why the Evolutionary theory can not create any human in this moment or in this century
( i never heard about any person created by Evolutionary theory in this moment )?
why the Evolutionary theory just created the first human ??

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

The Koran or, more correctly (as in more closely matching the Arabi pronunciation) the Qurn has a long and disputed history disputed now, though most muslim sources agreed unanimously on the method of its compilation. A good source for background information comes from here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran/2

Try reading the more mystical, shorter and chronologically earlier passages towards the end of the Qurn for a more interesting read. The stuff at the start took place in Yathrb (later called Madinah) when Muhammad had established a muslim community. There he turned to more legal outpourings designed to guide the ummah (community). To quote the late R. A. Nicholson: "The revelations are now addressed mainly to the Faithful and deal to a large extent with matters of legal, social, and political interest, or comment on the news of the day."

I contend that nothing in the Qurn presents a view more advanced than knowledge available to a desert man in the 7th Century, and would like to link to a very detailed thread on another forum which refutes the socalled science presented in this book:

Debunking Qurnic Science.

[McCulloch]

that is horrible .. you said your parents are created you and their parents created your parents so go to the first human.
first human must be created by a god
you said it,s a chimpanzees but i asked you who created the chimpanzees but i never read your answers
so i asked you to use your head before you answer the questions
i know you clever my dear friend
no body can create him self (the first human )
now.. i want you right now to answer this question please my dear friend

We have a number of threads dealing with science and religion. Evolution is dealt with in depth in a number of them. Suffice it to say that the overwhelming majority of those people who have made it their life's work to study biology, the science of life, are convinced of the truth of evolution. If you think otherwise, please post your reasons there. But please do try to understand evolution before you think that you can debunk it. There was no first human. In the same way there was no first Chimpanzee. There were a group of apes that, for some reason or other, became reproductively separated from the other apes and over very many generations became genetically separate. Humanity was not created by God. Humanity and every other species, emerged from other previously existent forms of life.

This raises the question, where did the first life form come from. There are two approaches to the answer to this question. One is to honestly admit that we don't know and to research the evidence to determine how it might have come about and how it did not happen. The other is to say that Allah did it and close the book. Which approach do you prefer?