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Non biolgical beings

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Various religions make claims that certain spiritual or magical beings exist.

Fairies, Djinn, Goblins, Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Demons, Satan are all said to exist.

Do any of these beings really exist? Are they active in our world? Provide evidence to support any positive claims.
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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: because he is the god who created you
There is no god.
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: how would you know that ?!
There is no evidence, need or reason for a god.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: use your head and think about the one who created the sky,the earth,human.animals,planets !! there must be a god
I have used my head. My head (and 'heart') leads me to conclude that there is no need for a god for all you describe to exist.

As someone else asked...if all that exists requires a creator and god exists...who created god?
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What created the creation of time/big bang/or any other philosophy of origin? How can we prove that its true?

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ServantOfJesus wrote:What created the creation of time/big bang/or any other philosophy of origin? How can we prove that its true?
Nobody knows how the universe was created. See how that works? NOBODY KNOWS. However, there is no evidence whatsoever of an intelligent creator, and the Big Bang theory is presently one of the theories best supported by the collection of data to test its predictions.

The God Hypothesis is a shortcut, based on suppositions without evidence.

Unless you have some you'd like to share.

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ServantOfJesus wrote:What created the creation of time/big bang/or any other philosophy of origin? How can we prove that its true?
On what basis do you assume a 'creation'?

Is it not a possibility that the universe as we know has, in some shape or form, existed eternally?
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undeterred wrote:
ServantOfJesus wrote:What created the creation of time/big bang/or any other philosophy of origin? How can we prove that its true?
Nobody knows how the universe was created. See how that works? NOBODY KNOWS. However, there is no evidence whatsoever of an intelligent creator, and the Big Bang theory is presently one of the theories best supported by the collection of data to test its predictions.

The God Hypothesis is a shortcut, based on suppositions without evidence.

Unless you have some you'd like to share.
To be more precise, the inflationary theory, also known as the Big Bang (a mocking term coined by Fred Hoyle that missed the point), is a theory about the early history of the universe. It does not address the origin of the universe. So far, the math only deals with T=10^-43 seconds and later.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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McCulloch wrote:Do any of these beings really exist? Are they active in our world? Provide evidence to support any positive claims.
Just to add my opinion.

Beings such as these are classified as supernatural. The derivation of that word would tell us that the natural sciences are not going to be of much use in proving or disproving their existence. Unfortuanately, natural science is probably the only agreed upon method of proof among this group. As such, I'm not sure that there is a straight answer.

So as to be at least a little constructive, I would suggest that the existence of such things could be established by establishing the truth of a belef system that supports them. Otherwise, we are left with a series of personal encounters (whether written in ancient texts or spoken by modern people) that naturalists would find uncredible.

I'm willing to revoke that opininon if something else is pointed out, such as a fringe where the natural and supernatural worlds connect (or would connect if the supernatural existed). The Near Death Experience is the only thing that comes to mind in that case. I don't imagine that that issue will be agreed upon, but perhaps it is a more concrete subtopic. I for one tend to believe that there is a certain amount of information regarding NDE studies that suggest the existence of a supernatural world.
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...if all that exists requires a creator and god exists...who created god?
every body ask me who created (allah)
will.. nobody created allah ( there is no god but allah )
here are the evidences:

allah said:

1. Say (O Muhammad ): "He is Allâh, (the) One

2. "Allâh-us-Samad () [Allâh the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)].

3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten

4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."

((sorat al-ekhlas))

allah said in another sorah :
35. Allâh is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as (if there were) a niche and within it a lamp: the lamp is in a glass, the glass as it were a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east (i.e. neither it gets sun-rays only in the morning) nor of the west (i.e. nor it gets sun-rays only in the afternoon, but it is exposed to the sun all day long), whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself), though no fire touched it. Light upon Light! Allâh guides to His Light whom He wills. And Allâh sets forth parables for mankind, and Allâh is All-Knower of everything.

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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:here are the evidences:
Do you believe everything you read?

If you don't, what do you use to decide whether to believe what you are reading?
Desire for such a deity sprang from infantile yearnings for a powerful, protective father, for justice and fairness and for life to go on forever. God is simply a projection of these desires... - Sigmund Freud

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Jester wrote:So as to be at least a little constructive, I would suggest that the existence of such things could be established by establishing the truth of a belef system that supports them.
I think the results are in... :)

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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:
...if all that exists requires a creator and god exists...who created god?
every body ask me who created (allah)
will.. nobody created allah ( there is no god but allah )
here are the evidences:

allah said:

1. Say (O Muhammad ): "He is Allâh, (the) One

2. "Allâh-us-Samad () [Allâh the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)].

3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten

4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."

((sorat al-ekhlas))

allah said in another sorah :
35. Allâh is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as (if there were) a niche and within it a lamp: the lamp is in a glass, the glass as it were a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east (i.e. neither it gets sun-rays only in the morning) nor of the west (i.e. nor it gets sun-rays only in the afternoon, but it is exposed to the sun all day long), whose oil would almost glow forth (of itself), though no fire touched it. Light upon Light! Allâh guides to His Light whom He wills. And Allâh sets forth parables for mankind, and Allâh is All-Knower of everything.
Some Fundamental Christians sound exactly like this.
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence

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