The Resurrection

[joer]

I recently(over the last few weeks) saw several Discovery Channel and PBS documentaries describing similar historical detail as presented in these stories of the Resurrection written over 75 years ago. BUT I hadn't found evidence with that same historical detail until recently.

I was just wondering how others have seen the development of historical evidence surrounding details of The Resurrection in recent times. It seems as we continue to develop our historical understanding of the times of Jesus, more and more details of his life and death fall into place in terms of validity.

The Resurrection Of Jesus

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and heavenly activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected heavenly form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.

After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected heavenly personality of Jesus.

Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?

As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again ... There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or heavenly resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this heavenly awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master's awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Paradise.

Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Ruler of the local universe; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Earth.

He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the heavenly personalities of those who, as resurrected heavenly ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on earth was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled heavenly groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the heavenly Jesus: "Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise."

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Earth to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the heavenly level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Earth. This initiation into the transitional heavenly world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus—the transitional heavenly resurrection of the Son of Man—completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of heavenly transition, and as he begins this Transitional heavenly life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.

I recently(over the last few weeks) saw several Discovery Channel and PBS documentaries describing similar historical detail as presented in these stories of the Resurrection written over 75 years ago. BUT I hadn't found evidence with that same historical detail until recently.

I was just wondering how others have seen the development of historical evidence surrounding details of The Resurrection in recent times. It seems as we continue to develop our historical understanding of the times of Jesus, more and more details of his life and death fall into place in terms of validity. While many aspects of the resurrection are still taken on Faith, the historical evidence for the possibility of the Resurrection slowly grows over time.

The Resurrection Of Jesus

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and heavenly activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected heavenly form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.

After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected heavenly personality of Jesus.

Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?

As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again ... There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or heavenly resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this heavenly awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master's awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Paradise.

Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Ruler of the local universe; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Earth.

He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the heavenly personalities of those who, as resurrected heavenly ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on earth was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled heavenly groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the heavenly Jesus: "Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise."

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Earth to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the heavenly level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Earth. This initiation into the transitional heavenly world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus—the transitional heavenly resurrection of the Son of Man—completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of heavenly transition, and as he begins this Transitional heavenly life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.

The Disposition Of Jesus' Physical Body

At ten minutes past three o'clock, as the resurrected Jesus fraternized with the assembled heavenly personalities from the seven mansion worlds. the chief of archangels—the angels of the resurrection—approached Gabriel and asked for the mortal body of Jesus. Said the chief of the archangels: "We may not participate in the transitional heavenly resurrection of the bestowal experience of Michael our sovereign, but we would have his mortal remains put in our custody for immediate dissolution. We do not propose to employ our technique of dematerialization; we merely wish to invoke the process of accelerated time. It is enough that we have seen the Sovereign live and die on Earth; the hosts of heaven would be spared the memory of enduring the sight of the slow decay of the human form of the Creator and Upholder of a universe. In the name of the celestial intelligences of all the universe, I ask for a mandate giving me the custody of the mortal body of Jesus of Nazareth and empowering us to proceed with its immediate dissolution."

And when Gabriel had conferred with the senior Most High of Edentia, the archangel spokesman for the celestial hosts was given permission to make such disposition of the physical remains of Jesus as he might determine.

After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Earth midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus' physical body. This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the transitional heavenly form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. By the aid of certain transitional heavenly auxiliary personalities, the transitional heavenly form can be made at one time as of the spirit so that it can become indifferent to ordinary matter, while at another time it can become discernible and contactable to material beings, such as the mortals of the realm.

As they made ready to remove the body of Jesus from the tomb preparatory to according it the dignified and reverent disposal of near-instantaneous dissolution, it was assigned the secondary earth midwayers to roll away the stones from the entrance of the tomb. The larger of these two stones was a huge circular affair, much like a millstone, and it moved in a groove chiseled out of the rock, so that it could be rolled back and forth to open or close the tomb. When the watching Jewish guards and the Roman soldiers, in the dim light of the morning, saw this huge stone begin to roll away from the entrance of the tomb, apparently of its own accord—without any visible means to account for such motion—they were seized with fear and panic, and they fled in haste from the scene. The Jews fled to their homes, afterward going back to report these doings to their captain at the temple. The Romans fled to the fortress of Antonia and reported what they had seen to the centurion as soon as he arrived on duty.

The Jewish leaders began the sordid business of supposedly getting rid of Jesus by offering bribes to the traitorous Judas, and now, when confronted with this embarrassing situation, instead of thinking of punishing the guards who deserted their post, they resorted to bribing these guards and the Roman soldiers. They paid each of these twenty men a sum of money and instructed them to say to all: "While we slept during the nighttime, his disciples came upon us and took away the body." And the Jewish leaders made solemn promises to the soldiers to defend them before Pilate in case it should ever come to the governor's knowledge that they had accepted a bribe.

The Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus has been based on the fact of the "empty tomb." It was indeed a fact that the tomb was empty, but this is not the truth of the resurrection. The tomb was truly empty when the first believers arrived, and this fact, associated with that of the undoubted resurrection of the Master, led to the formulation of a belief which was not true: the teaching that the material and mortal body of Jesus was raised from the grave. Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions.

The tomb of Joseph was empty, not because the body of Jesus had been rehabilitated or resurrected, but because the celestial hosts had been granted their request to afford it a special and unique dissolution, a return of the "dust to dust," without the intervention of the delays of time and without the operation of the ordinary and visible processes of mortal decay and material corruption.

The mortal remains of Jesus underwent the same natural process of elemental disintegration as characterizes all human bodies on earth except that, in point of time, this natural mode of dissolution was greatly accelerated, hastened to that point where it became well-nigh instantaneous.

The true evidences of the resurrection of Michael are spiritual in nature, albeit this teaching is corroborated by the testimony of many mortals of the realm who met, recognized, and communed with the resurrected transitional heavenly Master. He became a part of the personal experience of almost one thousand human beings before he finally took leave of earth.

[Goat]

So it is kind of like it never happened.
After all if there are no signs and signs that say there was no break bewteen cultures I guess it is just a story.
I guess you would not have much to defend.
Maybe some have a misplaced trust in their Bible about the wrong things.

That's not what I said, I asked what kind of evidence would be expected. When we can conclude what it would be, I suspect we will find it.

We would expect
1) A layer of sediment fairly thick throught the world.. dated at the same date.
2) An interruption of civilizations , which appears to be at the layer of sediemnt.
3) An indication of a wash out of ice in the glacer cores.

That is for starters.

[twobitsmedia]

So it is kind of like it never happened.
After all if there are no signs and signs that say there was no break bewteen cultures I guess it is just a story.
I guess you would not have much to defend.
Maybe some have a misplaced trust in their Bible about the wrong things.

That's not what I said, I asked what kind of evidence would be expected. When we can conclude what it would be, I suspect we will find it.

We would expect
1) A layer of sediment fairly thick throught the world.. dated at the same date.
2) An interruption of civilizations , which appears to be at the layer of sediemnt.
3) An indication of a wash out of ice in the glacer cores.

That is for starters.

1) Why would you expect it?
2) Is the the same expectation you would have for all the floods started and ended by God? And if so, what set the standard?

[Goat]

So it is kind of like it never happened.
After all if there are no signs and signs that say there was no break bewteen cultures I guess it is just a story.
I guess you would not have much to defend.
Maybe some have a misplaced trust in their Bible about the wrong things.

That's not what I said, I asked what kind of evidence would be expected. When we can conclude what it would be, I suspect we will find it.

We would expect
1) A layer of sediment fairly thick throught the world.. dated at the same date.
2) An interruption of civilizations , which appears to be at the layer of sediemnt.
3) An indication of a wash out of ice in the glacer cores.

That is for starters.

1) Why would you expect it?
2) Is the the same expectation you would have for all the floods started and ended by God? And if so, what set the standard?

The standard would be the same if it was started by god or not started by god.

From experience and observation, it is noted that floods, no matter what size, leave behind sediment. The large the flood, the thicker the sediment.

A flood that wipes out the earth would be expected to put an end to civilizations. It couldn't be expected that you not only get people back into place so fast, but have them pick up exactly where they left off when it comes to styles of pottery, now would it.

[Zzyzx]

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There would be NO evidence of an imaginary flood, a mythical flood, a fictional flood.

You are right. Thats why the one you propose has no evidence. It puts you in kind of a win-win scenario of your own creation. You propose a flood that didnt happen and then challenge people to come up with evidence for this nonexistent flood and when they cannot you declare yourself the winner. If you could collect bets on it you could make a fortune.

I propose NO flood and make no claim of "winning". Where do you get your false information?

The Christian bible proposes a worldwide flood. I dispute the idea that any such thing happened. I ask for evidence from those who support the biblical claim. No evidence is supplied.

Do you support the claim that a worldwide flood occurred as told in the bible story?

[twobitsmedia]

The standard would be the same if it was started by god or not started by god.

How do you figure?

From experience and observation, it is noted that floods, no matter what size, leave behind sediment. The large the flood, the thicker the sediment.

Are you saying you have experienced and observed a worlddwide flood started by God and not of natural causes or endings?

A flood that wipes out the earth would be expected to put an end to civilizations.

A natural flood probably would. But from what I understand there is not really benchmark for that kind of flood either.

[twobitsmedia]

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There would be NO evidence of an imaginary flood, a mythical flood, a fictional flood.

You are right. Thats why the one you propose has no evidence. It puts you in kind of a win-win scenario of your own creation. You propose a flood that didnt happen and then challenge people to come up with evidence for this nonexistent flood and when they cannot you declare yourself the winner. If you could collect bets on it you could make a fortune.

I propose NO flood and make no claim of "winning". Where do you get your false information?

I believe I said you have proposed that a worldwide flood "didn't happen."

The Christian bible proposes a worldwide flood. I dispute the idea that any such thing happened. I ask for evidence from those who support the biblical claim. No evidence is supplied.

It proposes a worldwide flood caused and ended by God. What evidence should there be?

Do you support the claim that a worldwide flood occurred as told in the bible story?

as told in the Bible.

[Zzyzx]

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What about this?
Benjamin Sillman, head of geology of Yale in the 1800's, wrote,

"Respecting the Deluge there can be but one opinion: geology fully confirms the scriptural history of the event. Whales, sharks, crocodiles, amphibians, mammoths, rhinoceros, hippopotamus, hyenas, tigers, deer, horses, bullpine families are found buried together in deluvian at a greater or lesser depth and in most instances, under circumstances indicating that they were buried by the same catastrophe which destroyed them, namely a sudden and violent deluge."178, 179

You must be really scrounging for "evidence" to use a 200(?) year old statement by a geologist that supports scripture. His statement is NOT supported by modern geologists.

Is that what you regard as convincing evidence?

Presenting something like that is admission that the "evidence" available to support your position is very weak to non-existent.

Can you cite reference to Benjamin Sillman in other than apologetic websites (which is all that turned up with Internet searches) and can you specify when he was "head of geology at Yale"?

[AB]

[quote="Zzyzx"].
His statement is NOT supported by modern geologists.
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[AB]

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His statement is NOT supported by modern geologists.

Oh, and now wide spread declarations without supporting evidence have merit.

Funny, I forward evidence, from the geology field no less, that is counter to your belief, and you in effect cover your ears and yell "Cant hear you!" "Cant hear you!" And the source was the head of geology at Yale! By the way, the sillman information came up quite quick. I wasn't scrounging at all.

[twobitsmedia]

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You must be really scrounging for "evidence" to use a 200(?) year old statement by a geologist that supports scripture. His statement is NOT supported by modern geologists.

Are you now speaking for ALL geologists? And do you discount this because by accepting it, it would go against your own scientific dogma? Looking back, I don't believe you stated any particular time as a criteria. I could find dozens of modern ones that would affirm the statement, but alas, they are Christian, which, I presume, also is not acceptible evidence.....But, that would only be too logical that they would be.

Can you cite reference to Benjamin Sillman in other than apologetic websites (which is all that turned up with Internet searches) and can you specify when he was "head of geology at Yale"?

I guess this answered my last question. If a geologist affirms it, it is most likely they considered the whole picture, and would naturally, based on just that, be a Christian or become one. What sense would be for someone to say "I believe this to be true" but, just so that I don't appear bias, I will keep away from the truth and live separate from the truth I believe is there?? Not likely..