Question about prayer

CheeseNrice · Post by **CheeseNrice** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:23 pm

I have a question regarding prayer and "answers" supposedly from god. An example that brings about such questions are in relation to that mining disaster where so many of those miners were trapped and died.

I remember so many people gathering together at the churches and praying for the miners to be alive. Then, when they were told that all of the miners were alive, they all cheered and rejoiced proclaiming that "god answered our prayers." Now, hours later, when they found out that the miners were actually dead, how do they explain this?

Did god give them the "wrong answer"?

Did god give the same exact answer to all of those people who prayed? You mean to tell me that there was not one person there (even out of the clergy) who got the message from god that sorry, no, the miners were not alive and not coming home? Why did so many people get the wrong answer?

Did the people misinterpret what god's answer was? (in which case, it doesn't seem like prayer is of much use if you can't even reliably interpret the answer).

Did people really not get any answer at all from god, but were just deceiving themselves believing that god gave them an answer (which was wrong)?

RyanP · Post by **RyanP** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:38 pm

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micatala · Post by **micatala** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:34 pm

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OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:44 am

jmac2112 wrote: Not even God Himself can make you believe in Him if you don't want to,

I missed commenting on this before... So do you not see your God as all-powerful? You are saying that there are somethings he is incapable of doing? I would have thought that he knew us all so intimately he would know exactly what would take to influence us to believe in him (after all he knitted us in our mother's wombs). And because he loves us so much he would be willing to do that. Even if we don't want to believe.

melodious · Post by **melodious** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:55 pm

RyanP wrote:Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything.

I think someone forgot to put quotations around this statement and credit it to the late George Carlin. What pathetic plagiarism. Oh well, nothing new from Christians - doesn't surprise me.

This little excerpt he stole from a Carlin bit was where he proclaims to be a sun worshipper because "I can see the sun. I don't know about you," Carlin says, "but if I can see something, it tends to give it more credibility, in my opinion."

Intersesting that a Christian would steal a few lines from an atheist comedian. The line that told on him the most was: "And most of this praying takes place on Sunday" - he forgot to add - ..."his day off."

In the spirit of the serpent - M

melodious · Post by **melodious** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:07 pm

jmac2112 wrote:He "knows" in a way that is not discursive, and everything is present to Him at once.

Does the Christian God have a male sex organ? Just curious, so I thought I might ask this question for all you Christians out there who love to write "him" and "he" with a capital 'H'.

BTW, jmac2112, are you a Rush fan? Great band, and their album 2112 is in the top 20 best rock albums of all time, IMO.

M