"Replacement" Theology

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"Replacement" Theology

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From another thread:
Christianity is the replacement for Judaism. Judaism was valid and in full effect until the Death of Jesus. Upon His death the temple veil was ripped in twain from top to bottom by the hand of God. This signified that the rituals and practices of Judaism were no longer in effect, but that man could now approach God directly because of the sacrifice of His Son.
I emphatically disagree.

As one Christian writer put it more than thirty years ago:
Franklin H. Littell wrote:
"The cornerstone of Christian Antisemitism is the superseding or displacement myth.... This is the myth that the mission of the Jewish people was finished with the coming of Jesus Christ, that "the Old Israel" was written off with the appearance of "the New Israel." To teach that a people's mission in God's providence is finished, that they have been relegated to the limbo of history, has murderous implications which murderers in time will spell out.... The existence of a restored Israel, proof positive that the Jewish people is not annihilated, assimiliated, or otherwise withering away, is substantial refutation of the traditional Christian myth about their end in the historic process.....


"....A basic affirmation is the right of the Jewish people to self-identity and self-definition. No sound dialogue, let alone friendship or brotherhood-love, can develop if one partner is constantly endeavoring to categorize, to define, to box-in the other party. That has been the malaise of Christianity's relation to "the Jews" for centuries...

"The displacement myth, advanced by the gentile church fathers and repeated without biblical justification ever since, solved the problem by praising the dead Jews of the distant past (patriarchs, prophets and lawgivers) and teaching contempt for living Jews. A reconstructed and genuinely Christian theology will have to deal affirmatively with the contribution of the Jews in the last two millenia as well as with our fathers-in-God before the Christian era."

From The Crucifixion of the Jews; The Failure of Christians to Understand the Jewish Experience, Harper & Row, NY, 1975, p. 2-5.


Since that was written, "replacement" or "supersessionist" theology - the idea that Judaism is, with the arrival of Christianity, an obsolete and invalid religion and that Jews are now required to become Christians because they and their religion have otherwise been discarded by God - has been formally renounced and repudiated by virtually every Christian denomination, including the Roman Catholic Church. It is still taught today only by some fundamentalists.

It has been recognized as unScriptural (see my post to Easyrider on the eternal nature of the Old Covenant), and as the very root and cause of antisemitism and of the oppression and persecution of my people for centuries.

Questions for debate:

(1) Does "replacement theology" still have a place in the dialogue between Christians and Jews?

(2) If so - since it does not recognize Judaism as a viable religion and basically requires Jews to commit mass religious suicide and stop being Jews - what can that place possibly be?

One final note: this thread is addressed to Christians, and not to nontheists. If I could post it in Holy Huddle, I would, but I am not permitted to post there.

The non-theists present are welcome to post responses; but I would be most grateful if they would resist the urge to ring in and ask their usual question of why ANY religion is worth following.

That is not the topic here, and that would amount to hijacking this thread and preventing discussion of its intended topic. There are plenty of other threads where that question can be, and has been, explored.

Thanks in advance.

Easyrider

Re: "Replacement" Theology

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Post by Easyrider »

cnorman18 wrote:From another thread:
Christianity is the replacement for Judaism. Judaism was valid and in full effect until the Death of Jesus. Upon His death the temple veil was ripped in twain from top to bottom by the hand of God. This signified that the rituals and practices of Judaism were no longer in effect, but that man could now approach God directly because of the sacrifice of His Son.
I emphatically disagree.

As one Christian writer put it more than thirty years ago:
Franklin H. Littell wrote:
"The cornerstone of Christian Antisemitism is the superseding or displacement myth.... This is the myth that the mission of the Jewish people was finished with the coming of Jesus Christ, that "the Old Israel" was written off with the appearance of "the New Israel." To teach that a people's mission in God's providence is finished, that they have been relegated to the limbo of history, has murderous implications which murderers in time will spell out.... The existence of a restored Israel, proof positive that the Jewish people is not annihilated, assimiliated, or otherwise withering away, is substantial refutation of the traditional Christian myth about their end in the historic process.....


"....A basic affirmation is the right of the Jewish people to self-identity and self-definition. No sound dialogue, let alone friendship or brotherhood-love, can develop if one partner is constantly endeavoring to categorize, to define, to box-in the other party. That has been the malaise of Christianity's relation to "the Jews" for centuries...

"The displacement myth, advanced by the gentile church fathers and repeated without biblical justification ever since, solved the problem by praising the dead Jews of the distant past (patriarchs, prophets and lawgivers) and teaching contempt for living Jews. A reconstructed and genuinely Christian theology will have to deal affirmatively with the contribution of the Jews in the last two millenia as well as with our fathers-in-God before the Christian era."

From The Crucifixion of the Jews; The Failure of Christians to Understand the Jewish Experience, Harper & Row, NY, 1975, p. 2-5.


Since that was written, "replacement" or "supersessionist" theology - the idea that Judaism is, with the arrival of Christianity, an obsolete and invalid religion and that Jews are now required to become Christians because they and their religion have otherwise been discarded by God - has been formally renounced and repudiated by virtually every Christian denomination, including the Roman Catholic Church. It is still taught today only by some fundamentalists.

It has been recognized as unScriptural (see my post to Easyrider on the eternal nature of the Old Covenant), and as the very root and cause of antisemitism and of the oppression and persecution of my people for centuries.

Questions for debate:

(1) Does "replacement theology" still have a place in the dialogue between Christians and Jews?

(2) If so - since it does not recognize Judaism as a viable religion and basically requires Jews to commit mass religious suicide and stop being Jews - what can that place possibly be?

One final note: this thread is addressed to Christians, and not to nontheists. If I could post it in Holy Huddle, I would, but I am not permitted to post there.

The non-theists present are welcome to post responses; but I would be most grateful if they would resist the urge to ring in and ask their usual question of why ANY religion is worth following.

That is not the topic here, and that would amount to hijacking this thread and preventing discussion of its intended topic. There are plenty of other threads where that question can be, and has been, explored.

Thanks in advance.
I strongly disagree with the basic concept of "Replacement Theology" (that the Church replaced Israel). Adherents to that doctrine have to ignore too many scriptural passages that argue to the contrary.

However, I still believe, as a Christian, that Jesus is necessary for salvation (John 3:36; John 14:6, Acts 4:12, etc.).

After the fullness of gentiles have been grafted into God's economy, then God will reveal Jesus the Messiah to Israel. That's what the scriptures teach. But Israel has not been forgotten by any means.

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Paul, to the Romans wrote:[...] and if the root is holy, the branches are too.
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Paul speaks of Israel in this metaphor as the root and the natural branches of the olive tree. He speaks of the gentiles as branches grafted into such a tree. It is obvious to me, that from this metaphor, the Apostle Paul viewed Christianity as an outgrowth of Judaism and that to him, the Jews that were faithful to the One God, who manifested himself in Jesus, the Son of God, would follow the path of Christianity naturally as a fulfillment of their religion.

I am in no position to argue whether Paul is correct or incorrect in his view. But it does seem rather clear what his view was regarding the matter.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John

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Re: "Replacement" Theology

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Easyrider wrote:I strongly disagree with the basic concept of "Replacement Theology" (that the Church replaced Israel). Adherents to that doctrine have to ignore too many scriptural passages that argue to the contrary.

However, I still believe, as a Christian, that Jesus is necessary for salvation (John 3:36; John 14:6, Acts 4:12, etc.).

After the fullness of gentiles have been grafted into God's economy, then God will reveal Jesus the Messiah to Israel. That's what the scriptures teach. But Israel has not been forgotten by any means.
I do not, of course, agree; but that view seems to me not objectionable and probably about as far as a conservative Christian can go.

It has been joked for a long time that when the Messiah finally shows up, Jews will be shouting, "You're here!" and Christians will be shouting, "You're back!"

(Presumably atheists will be shouting "Who's that?" - but maybe we can all stop arguing then.)

(That was a joke, atheists. Chill.)

ETA: I have been corrected by PM.

Agnostics will be shouting "Who's that?"
Atheists will be shouting, "Where?"

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