Is God proud of His work?

[Greatest I Am]

Is God proud of His work?

You should know that I do not ever expect God to return at some end time because I see His judgment at the beginning of our birth in Genesis as the only judgment that he need’s render.

Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This very good included all that is, including sin, evil and the woes that were to afflict us, without which we could not develop our moral sense.

To have Him return, red faced, to fix a perfect world is beyond my definition of God. He gets things right the first time, every time.

I believe that when we left the garden we did so with God being proud of His perfect works and not ashamed that He had started us off on the wrong foot, so to speak, from the beginning of our journey.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

I know that many think of Genesis as the fall of man. This is false.
Man came out of Genesis only after the development of the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil.

God wanted man to have a moral sense and insured that this would happen by making sure that the talking snake/Satan was there to draw Eve out of any lethargy or laziness of mind and would be lead in the right direction.

I take the advice of the Pope and read the Bible allegorically and see Genesis as a right of passage for all humans from a state of innocence in the home/garden to a search for moral values in the greater society/talking snake.

It is this same society, with it’s differing values that hone our moral sense. It also draws us to sin. As God wants.

Why does God want us to sin?

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


New Jerusalem
9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.

If we must all come to repentance then clearly we must all sin.
God makes this easy by creating us all with a sinning nature.

It is God’s will that all repent and none be lost and it must be so, if God’s will is supreme.

To think otherwise is to think that God’s will can be thwarted.
If it is then it is not God’s will at all.

So to those who await a second or third judgment from God, forget that silly notion.

He told us it was a good beginning and from good beginnings come good endings.
We are all to be saved which ends the notion of a hell. If you think about hell for just a moment, it is clear from a moral standpoint, that God would not ever invent or create such a place. It would be admitting that He has failed in saving all of us. This is against His will and must be a false interpretation of scripture.


Do you think that God is proud of His creations, or, do you think He will return in shame to -fix- His perfect works?

Regards
DL

[Jester]

[Science101]

What's with glasses? What's the catch?
"There is no such thing as 'sexy liberian look'?"

Personally, I love the sexy librarian look. Even after everyone gets perfect eyesight, I hope glasses stick around.

Haha, okay...
Any chance you might be an anime fan or had once hit on some chicks from chess club in high school?

[TXatheist]

What's with glasses? What's the catch?
"There is no such thing as 'sexy liberian look'?"

Personally, I love the sexy librarian look. Even after everyone gets perfect eyesight, I hope glasses stick around.

Haha, okay...
Any chance you might be an anime fan or had once hit on some chicks from chess club in high school?

What has that got to do with anything?

[Jester]

I think perhaps there are two different analogies here.
The first is claiming that something good can be broken. The second is claiming that something which is broken is no longer good. I don't see any contradiction between these claims.
As for the claims of the Bible, it seems that the narrative presents the world as something as good that was later broken, rather than something that was broken at the time it was called good.

Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.


Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

I don't see that this contradicts my statements above. Once a tree is corrupt, its fruit is bad. This does not seem to be attempting to make the case that good fruit can't eventually go bad.

Also, I noticed that you did not respond to most of my last round of comments, are you no longer interested in the subject?

Haha, okay...
Any chance you might be an anime fan or had once hit on some chicks from chess club in high school?

Alas, no chess club at my high school, but I do like anime, and I'm married to a nerd (whom I adore). I keep trying to get her to wear her glasses more often.

[Jester]

Duplicate post, please ignore.

[Greatest I Am]

I think perhaps there are two different analogies here.
The first is claiming that something good can be broken. The second is claiming that something which is broken is no longer good. I don't see any contradiction between these claims.
As for the claims of the Bible, it seems that the narrative presents the world as something as good that was later broken, rather than something that was broken at the time it was called good.

Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.


Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

I don't see that this contradicts my statements above. Once a tree is corrupt, its fruit is bad. This does not seem to be attempting to make the case that good fruit can't eventually go bad.

Also, I noticed that you did not respond to most of my last round of comments, are you no longer interested in the subject?

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Sure am but we are not usually speaking the same language and where you argue for the sake of argument and like to go long, while I argue to win and go short.

That and our basic values are too different.

You think it is ok for an alien God to drown us by the millions and I do not.

I see God's perfection and that of His works still here and now while you see His perfect works turning to imperfection.

We are just too far apart.

Regards
DL

[Jester]

Also, I noticed that you did not respond to most of my last round of comments, are you no longer interested in the subject?

Sure am but we are not usually speaking the same language and where you argue for the sake of argument and like to go long, while I argue to win and go short.

I don't ever recall claiming to argue for the sake of argument. I'd say that mutual education is closer to my goal.
I do, however, try to explain myself fully, and this can lead to long posts.
But going short doesn't have to mean not responding to things.

You think it is ok for an alien God to drown us by the millions and I do not.

I have never claimed this, nor does this have the slightest bit to do with the discussion we were having. If you are hoping to win, you need to to do it by discussing the subject.

I see God's perfection and that of His works still here and now while you see His perfect works turning to imperfection.

That, I did claim.
The way I see it, if God wants things to be as they are, he wouldn't have spent half the Bible telling people to change how we're doing things.

We are just too far apart.

Let's work on bridging that gap, then.
It's always good to understand each other better.

[Science101]

Haha, okay...
Any chance you might be an anime fan or had once hit on some chicks from chess club in high school?

Alas, no chess club at my high school, but I do like anime, and I'm married to a nerd (whom I adore). I keep trying to get her to wear her glasses more often.

Hmmmkay.

[Greatest I Am]

Also, I noticed that you did not respond to most of my last round of comments, are you no longer interested in the subject?

Sure am but we are not usually speaking the same language and where you argue for the sake of argument and like to go long, while I argue to win and go short.

I don't ever recall claiming to argue for the sake of argument. I'd say that mutual education is closer to my goal.
I do, however, try to explain myself fully, and this can lead to long posts.
But going short doesn't have to mean not responding to things.

You think it is ok for an alien God to drown us by the millions and I do not.

I have never claimed this, nor does this have the slightest bit to do with the discussion we were having. If you are hoping to win, you need to to do it by discussing the subject.

I see God's perfection and that of His works still here and now while you see His perfect works turning to imperfection.

That, I did claim.
The way I see it, if God wants things to be as they are, he wouldn't have spent half the Bible telling people to change how we're doing things.

We are just too far apart.

Let's work on bridging that gap, then.
It's always good to understand each other better.

Tried that with our discussion on Noah's genocide.

If I recall, I spoke of genocide and you took off on evolution and did not give a straight answer.

If you want to end that discussion then go post there and if you speak to the topic I will answer.

Regards
DL

[Jester]

Let's work on bridging that gap, then.
It's always good to understand each other better.

Tried that with our discussion on Noah's genocide.

If I recall, I spoke of genocide and you took off on evolution and did not give a straight answer.

If you want to end that discussion then go post there and if you speak to the topic I will answer.

I recall giving you multiple answers, explaining why I felt that the God of the Bible does not support genocide. Perhaps you had a great reason for disagreeing, but you never let me know what that was.
I have no objection discussing that topic at all. I'm actually still waiting for a response to my last post there. I'd love it if you would follow that link, and explain your objections to my earlier explanation.

That, however, is that topic. For this topic, winning would require giving a response to this:

I see God's perfection and that of His works still here and now while you see His perfect works turning to imperfection.

That, I did claim.
The way I see it, if God wants things to be as they are, he wouldn't have spent half the Bible telling people to change how we're doing things.