The Qu'ran

[McCulloch]

quraan is written by allah but other books written by person so you have to read it to make sure

Well i am sure the quran is much unique from among all the other books. [...] the quran has never been changed. The quran was and is as god says himself in the quran that the quran is copyrighted. So there are millions of copys in the world in many translation--but all the same thing. Ones in english, urdu, arabic, chinese, brail... and so on. So which one shall you read? The one that says Quran or koran or coran on the cover. And as the biggining chapter introduces the author (god). You can order many free ones from islam tomorow, or even better go to your local mosque.[...]

So I went to the quran. I read it and I felt closer to god in my whole life. I actually cryed. And now i am closer to god then ever.

I have been invited to read the Qu'ran. It has been claimed that it has the answers to the questions, How can I know if God exists? and How can I know what God wants of me? It has been implied that the divine truth of the Quran is self-evident.

For Debate: If you have read the Qu'ran or part of it, is its divine origin self-evident? Does it make a convincing argument for the existence of God?

[TrueReligion]

[*]the martyrs who are each given a white robe, and told to wait until more martyrs have been killed[*]

The translation provided again is wrong, let me put the authenticity of book of revelation, in own words of christian theologians.

A council was held in 364 in Liodicia for the same purpose. This conference
of Christian scholars and theologians not only confirmed the decision of the council of Nicaea regarding the authenticity of the Epistle of Jude but also declared that the following six books must also be added to the list of genuine and believable books: The book of Esther, The Epistle Of James, The Second Epistle of Peter, The Second and Third Epistles of John, The Epistle of Paul to the Hebrews. This conference pronounced their decision to the public. The book of Revelations, however, remained out of the list of the acknowledged books in both the councils.

The Epistle and The Revelation
The Epistle to the Hebrews, the Second Epistle of Peter, the Second and the Third
Epistles of John, the Epistle of Jacob, the Epistle of Jude and several verses of the First Epistle of John are wrongly attributed to the apostles. These books were generally supposed to be doubtful up until 363 AD and continue to be considered false and unacceptable to the majority of Christian writers up until this day. The verses of the first Epistle of John have been omitted in Syrian versions. The Arabian churches have rejected the second Epistle of Peter Epistles of John, the Epistle of Jude, and the Revelation.
Similarly the churches of Syria have rejected them from the beginning of their history. Horne says in the second volume of his commentary (1822) on pages 206 and 207: The following Epistles and verses have not been included in the Syrian version and the same was the case with Arabian churches; the second Epistle of Peter, the Epistle of Jude,both the epistles of John, the Revelation, the verses from 2-11 of chapter 8 in the gospel of John, and chapter 5 verse 7 of the first Epistle of John. The translator of the Syrian version omitted these verses because he did not believe them to be genuine.
Ward confirms this in his book (1841) on page 37: Rogers, a great scholar of the
Protestant faith has mentioned the name of a number of Protestant scholars who declared the following books as false and excluded them from the holy scriptures: the Epistles to the 32 Hebrews, the Epistle of Jacob, the second and the third Epistles of John, and the Revelation.
Dr Bliss, a learned scholar of the Protestant faith stated: All the books up until the
period of Eusebius are found acceptable,: and he insists on the point that: The Epistle of Jacob, the second Epistle of Peter and the second and third Epistles of John are not the writing of the Apostles. The Epistles of the Hebrews remained rejected for along period; similarly the Syrian church did not acknowledge the second Epistle of Peter, the second and third Epistles of John, the Epistle to Jude and Revelation.
Lardner said in vol. 4 of his commentary on page 175: Cyrillus and the Church of
Jerusalem did not acknowledge the book of Revelation in their period. Apart from this, the name of this book does not even occur in the list of Canonical books which he wrote. On page 323 of the same volume he further said: Revelation was not the part of the Syrian version. Barhebroeus and Jacob did not include this book for comments in their commentary. Abedjessu omitted the second Epistle of peter, the second and the third Epistles of John, the Epistle of Jude and the Revelation from his list. All other Syrian have the same opinion about these books.
The Catholic Herald (1844) contains the following statement on page 206 of vol. 7:
Rose has written on page 161 of his book that many Protestant scholars consider the book of Revelation non-believable. Professor Ewald has produced powerful arguments to prove that the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John and the Revelations of John cannot bet he writings of the same person.
Eusebius makes the following statement in chapter 25 of vol. 7 of his history:
Dionysius says that some ancient writers excluded the book of Revelation from the Holy Scriptures and have completely refuted it. He said that this book is meaningless and a great example of ignorance. Any association of this book with John or with a righteous man or with any Christian is wrong. In fact, this with book was attributed to John by a hereticCerinthus. I wish I had the powers of excluding it from the Holy Scriptures. As far as my own opinion is concerned, I believe it to be from someone who was inspired. But what I cannot easily believe is that the writer was any of the apostles, or that he was the son of Zebedee or brother of Jacob. On the contrary the idiom of the text and style strongly
indicate that the writer cannot have been the Apostle John who is mentioned in the Book of Acts because his presence in Asia Minor is not known. This John is totally a different man who is an Asian. There are two graves in the city of Ephesus, both bearing the inscription of John. The contents and the style of this book indicate that John, the Evangelist, is not the writer of this book. Since the text of the Gospel and the Epistles is as refined as the style of the Greeks. Contrary to this the book of Revelation contains a text very different in style from the Greeks, full of uncommon expressions. Besides this the Evangelists have a common practice in that they do not disclose their names in the Gospels nor in the Epistles, but describe themselves in the first person or in the third person, which writer of
this book has mentioned his own name. In the revelation of Jesus in chapter 1 he says:The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified id by his Angel unto his servant John. He also writes in chapter 4: John to the seven churches which are in Asia. In chapter 9 he says: I, John, who am your brother, and companion in tribulation and in this kingdom, and patience of Jesus Christ. Again in 22:8 he says: I John saw this things and heard them.
He mentions his name in all the above verses contrary to the general practice of the Evangelists. The explanation that the writer has disclosed his name against his normal practice in order to introduce himself cannot be acceptable because if this had been his object he would have used specific words together with his name defining his intention. For example, he could have written John, the sun of Zebedee or brother of James. He only uses some general words like your brother, companion in patience etc., which do not serve the purpose of his introduction.
Eusebius also says in chapter 3 of vol. 3 of his book: The first Epistle of Peter is
genuine, but his second Epistle should never be included in the Holy Scripture. Fourteen Epistles of Paul are, however, read. The Epistle to the Hebrews has been excluded by some people.
He further elaborates in chapter 25 of the same book: It has been a point of debate whether the Epistles to James, and Jude, the second epistle of Peter, and the Epistles of John I and II were written by the Evangelists or some other writers of the same names. It should be understood that the Acts of Paul, the Revelation of Peter, the Epistle of Barnabas and the book entitled, The Institution of the Disciples are rejected books and this can be proved. The Revelation should also be included in this list.
Eusebius also quotes a statement of Origen concerning the Epistle to the Hebrews
in chapter 25 of vol. 6 of his book: It is a popular notion among the people that this Epistle (Hebrews) was written by Clement of Rome (150-220) and some people think that it was written by Luke.
The Irish missionary Lyon (178) and Hippolitus (220) and Nouclus, the missionary of Rome (251), refused to accept the genuineness of the Epistle to Hebrews. Turtullien, the bishop of Carthage (d. 200) says that this Epistle belongs to Barnabas. Caius, the Presbyter of Rome (d. 251) counted thirteen Epistles of Paul and did not count this Epistle.
Cyprien, the bishop of Carthage (248), does not make any mention of this Epistle. The Monophysite churches still refuse to acknowledge the second Epistle of Peter and the second and third Epistles of John.
Scaliger disowns the Epistle to the Hebrews by saying that whoever was the author
of this Epistle had wasted his time.
Eusebius, in chapter 23 of vol. 2 of his book says: Generally this Epistle is
supposed to be false and several ancient writers have mentioned this. Our opinion about the Epistle of Jude is not different but many churches still act according to it.
The History of the Bible (1850) contains this statement: Grotius says that this
Epistle, that is, the Epistle of Jude was written by Jude Oskolf (Archbishop) the 15th Oskolf of Jerusalem living in the period of Emperor Hadrian.?
Eusebius has stated in his history vol. 6, chapter 25: Origen said in vol. 5 of his
commentary on the Gospel of John that Paul did not write any thing to the Churches, and if he wrote to any Church it was not more than a few lines.
According to Origen, all the Epistles which are attributed to Paul, where not written
by him. They are hypothetically attributed to him. Perhaps a few lines of Paul might also present in these Epistles.
Keeping all this statements in mind, we are led to believe the truth of the following
statement made by Festus: The author of the New Testament is neither Jesus Christ nor his apostles, but a certain man of unknown identity has written them and attributed them to the Evangelists. The truth of this statement has been proved beyond doubt. We have already shown earlier in this book that this six Epistles and the book of Revelation were believed in and remained rejected up to 363; and they were not acknowledged even by the
council of Nicaea in 325. Then in 364 the members of the council of Liodesia
acknowledged the six Epistles. The Book of Revelation remained excluded even in this meeting but later on in 397 was acknowledge by the Council of Carthage.

[otseng]

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Moderator formal warning.

Refering to someone as being inept is a violation of the rules and considered a personal attack. Please review and abide by the rules.

[McCulloch]

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The phrase "So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice" is not the same as "the scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing, and has seven horns and seven eyes". You claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

[Apple Pie]

[*]the 144,000[*]

Li-eelafi qurayshin

106.1 To unite victorious.


Summary of 106.1:

The Book of Revelation has much to say regarding Gods Elect
John hears the number of the Elect. These are the ones who have been sealed; number 144,000; and emanate out of every tribe of Israel (Rev 7.4)
From this passage, we learn that:

Sphragizo informs us that Gods Elect are permanently sealed for security away from Satan
Chilias conveys to us a large rounded number representing Gods Elect
Huios conveys the thought that the Elect are descendents, or the posterity of another individual
The term Israel again conveys that the Elect are the posterity of his lineage " which, according to the Old Testament, has Gods Blessing of Salvation.


The Twelve Tribes of Israel

Revelation informs us that the ones being sealed for security come from a long line of believers through the lineage of Israel. The complete rounded number that represents all of the Elect, all of the Saved, all of the Believers in Jesus Christ, are from the Twelve Tribes of Israel (Rev 7.5-8 )
Following directly on the heels of the separate listing of the twelve, twelve thousand, and re-enforcing that the 144,000 sealed represents the rounded spiritual number of the redeemed, John states that he saw a great multitude which no one could count (Rev 7.9 " 10)
As is the style in the Book of Revelation, the symbolic metaphors used within the text are explained as to what they represent, throughout the body of the scripture
Thus, the 144,000 sealed represents not a literal number, but a much, much larger number
These verses further elaborate on the fact that the Twelve Tribes of Israel represent every nation, and tribes and peoples and tongues signifying that it encompasses all of spiritual humanity that has faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior (soteria)
The 144,000 therefore is symbolic of all the believers in the covenant that is to be fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Revelation further demonstrates that the 144,000 are the ones coming out of the great tribulation; the ones that purified themselves in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ (Rev 7.14)
There are two examples from Revelation in which we are told that Jesus is descended from one special tribe of Israel, The Tribe of Judah " in particular, King David (Rev 5.5; 22.16)


The Victorious

Revelation uses the verb nikao to describe The Elect
nikao is defined as, to be victorious; to carry off the victory, come off victorious. Overcome, get the victory
Revelation declares that Jesus Christ, The Lamb, The Lion, was singularly victorious (nikao) (Rev 5.5)
Reinforcing His position of deity, and His example set forth to His Elect, Jesus declares, in the first-person singular (nikao), that He was victorious first, and now resides in the Throne of God. (Rev 3.21)
Because of this, Jesus also provides a place in His Throne for the one overcoming (victorious, nikao)
The ones (plural) being victorious (nikao) over Satan, do so because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Rev 12.11)
The one that overcomes, and is victorious, will inherit all things, states Jesus in the Book of Revelation, as He, Himself, is God Almighty (Rev 21.7)
Observe that in this verse Theos is in the nominative case, indicating that Jesus is the subject of the verb esomai establishing Him as God
Further, observe that Jesus establishes that His deity is directly interchangeable with the Father, making the victorious ones, the sons to Him


His Name will be on their Foreheads

John declares that he sees the 144,000 sealed, residing with The Lamb (i.e. Jesus Christ), on Mount Zion (Rev 14.1)
These are the ones that have Jesus singular name (onoma autos) and His Fathers singular name (onoma ho pater autos) written on their foreheads
Thus, both the Father and the Son are demonstrated have their singular namesake written on the redeemed people, and being in direct possession of the people, via the usage of the genitive singular autos
Although both God and The Lamb are identified separately in the Book of Revelation, they are treated as one entity, one God, via the prolific usage of singular personal pronouns and singular nouns such as found in these verses (Rev 22.1 " 4):

One Throne (thronos)
His (autos) slaves
Worship Him (autos)
His (autos) face (prosopon)
His (autos) name (onoma)

Just as the singular name of The Lamb and the singular name of God are written on the foreheads of the Elect, as stated in Revelation 14.1, we are told that this is His name ,as Jesus Christ and Theos are one God
The 144,000 are in the direct presence of God and will see His face, and they will worship Him
Observe that Revelation declares three separate times that Jesus name will be upon His believers, the 144,000 sealed. The First time that this is mentioned, Jesus declares, in the first person singular, that only He writes the name on His Elect. (Rev 3.12 " 13)
Thus, three separate times Revelation declares that Jesus name will be upon His Elect, with each of the Elect having three names written upon them: Theos, Jesus, & The New Jerusalem
Observe that the one speaking (lego) at the beginning of this section, to each of the seven assemblies (Rev Chapters 2 & 3), is applied to Jesus, and in each case, it ends with the proclamation that the Spirit is the one speaking " yet another indication of the deity interchangeability between the Spirit and Jesus

These verses also clearly indicate:

Father
Son
Spirit


Before the Throne of God

Further exemplifying that the 144,000 are the faithful followers of Jesus Christ, and that these Elect rank above all of His creation, we are once again given their physical location in Heaven (Rev 14.3 " 4)
Their location is shown to be before the elders; before the four living creatures; and before the singular Throne of God & The Lamb
The 144,000 are therefore in the direct presence of God; in the direct presence of Jesus Christ, and, as demonstrated in Rev 3.21, are actually in/on the Throne of God


From Revelation:

The Victorious are singularly united together for safety
They number in the thousands
They are from a tribe descended from Abraham
They have overcome Satan
They are united to Jesus Christ






106.1 initiates with the particle li
Li carries with it the classic definition which denotes purpose, result, consequence, end. The purpose for which, or the reason why, a thing is done. , and has been rendered as to
Thus, the particle li is about to give the reader an end-result, and a reason why something has been done
Li is inseparably coupled to the verbal-noun elafi
Elafi means a uniting or joining together with the purpose of safety and protection
Li-eelafi therefore means to unite singularly, giving as a reason, safety and protection
The root alifa, from which li-eelafi is derived, means the uniting of a quantity: A thousand. A certain number, well known, i.e. a certain round number, namely a thousand.
Observing the 22 occurrences of the root alifa, and its eighteen Koranic derivatives, outside of sura 106, represents the following three things:

1) A rounded number based upon 1,000
2) allah uniting/joining
3) Consoling

The final noun in this ayah is qurayshin
Qurayshin is used only this once in the Koran, and has been rendered as victorious
Qurayshin also carries with it the definition, the Name of an Arab tribe descended from Abraham of which Muhammads grandfather was the chief.
This sheds much light on the topic, as it can be demonstrated that the Koranic Muhammad is actually an epithet pertaining to the Biblical Jesus Christ
Hence, this tribe, descended from Abraham, and from which Jesus Christ traces His earthly lineage, and had a grandfather as chief, would have to be corresponding to the Tribe(s) of Israel via King David, same as declared in the book of Revelation
The root qarasha, from which qurayshin is derived, provides even deeper insight with the definition: he gained, acquired, or earned, and collected for his family
This imparts to us that a singular Male collects His family

Hence, we have the following summary of 106.1 which directly parallels that of Revelation


Copied into sura 106:

The Victorious are singularly united together for safety
They number in the thousands
They are from a tribe descended from Abraham
They are united to Muhammad (i.e. Jesus Christ)

[Apple Pie]

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The phrase "So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice" is not the same as "the scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing, and has seven horns and seven eyes". You claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

Demonstrate your assertion with the Greek & Arabic, brother.

If you can't then what do you have....another retractable assertion...

[TrueReligion]

[*]the 144,000[*]

Li-eelafi qurayshin

106.1 To unite victorious.


Summary of 106.1:

The Book of Revelation has much to say regarding Gods Elect
John hears the number of the Elect. These are the ones who have been sealed; number 144,000; and emanate out of every tribe of Israel (Rev 7.4)
From this passage, we learn that:

Sphragizo informs us that Gods Elect are permanently sealed for security away from Satan
Chilias conveys to us a large rounded number representing Gods Elect
Huios conveys the thought that the Elect are descendents, or the posterity of another individual
The term Israel again conveys that the Elect are the posterity of his lineage " which, according to the Old Testament, has Gods Blessing of Salvation.


The Twelve Tribes of Israel

Revelation informs us that the ones being sealed for security come from a long line of believers through the lineage of Israel. The complete rounded number that represents all of the Elect, all of the Saved, all of the Believers in Jesus Christ, are from the Twelve Tribes of Israel (Rev 7.5-8 )
Following directly on the heels of the separate listing of the twelve, twelve thousand, and re-enforcing that the 144,000 sealed represents the rounded spiritual number of the redeemed, John states that he saw a great multitude which no one could count (Rev 7.9 " 10)
As is the style in the Book of Revelation, the symbolic metaphors used within the text are explained as to what they represent, throughout the body of the scripture
Thus, the 144,000 sealed represents not a literal number, but a much, much larger number
These verses further elaborate on the fact that the Twelve Tribes of Israel represent every nation, and tribes and peoples and tongues signifying that it encompasses all of spiritual humanity that has faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior (soteria)
The 144,000 therefore is symbolic of all the believers in the covenant that is to be fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Revelation further demonstrates that the 144,000 are the ones coming out of the great tribulation; the ones that purified themselves in the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ (Rev 7.14)
There are two examples from Revelation in which we are told that Jesus is descended from one special tribe of Israel, The Tribe of Judah " in particular, King David (Rev 5.5; 22.16)


The Victorious

Revelation uses the verb nikao to describe The Elect
nikao is defined as, to be victorious; to carry off the victory, come off victorious. Overcome, get the victory
Revelation declares that Jesus Christ, The Lamb, The Lion, was singularly victorious (nikao) (Rev 5.5)
Reinforcing His position of deity, and His example set forth to His Elect, Jesus declares, in the first-person singular (nikao), that He was victorious first, and now resides in the Throne of God. (Rev 3.21)
Because of this, Jesus also provides a place in His Throne for the one overcoming (victorious, nikao)
The ones (plural) being victorious (nikao) over Satan, do so because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Rev 12.11)
The one that overcomes, and is victorious, will inherit all things, states Jesus in the Book of Revelation, as He, Himself, is God Almighty (Rev 21.7)
Observe that in this verse Theos is in the nominative case, indicating that Jesus is the subject of the verb esomai establishing Him as God
Further, observe that Jesus establishes that His deity is directly interchangeable with the Father, making the victorious ones, the sons to Him


His Name will be on their Foreheads

John declares that he sees the 144,000 sealed, residing with The Lamb (i.e. Jesus Christ), on Mount Zion (Rev 14.1)
These are the ones that have Jesus singular name (onoma autos) and His Fathers singular name (onoma ho pater autos) written on their foreheads
Thus, both the Father and the Son are demonstrated have their singular namesake written on the redeemed people, and being in direct possession of the people, via the usage of the genitive singular autos
Although both God and The Lamb are identified separately in the Book of Revelation, they are treated as one entity, one God, via the prolific usage of singular personal pronouns and singular nouns such as found in these verses (Rev 22.1 " 4):

One Throne (thronos)
His (autos) slaves
Worship Him (autos)
His (autos) face (prosopon)
His (autos) name (onoma)

Just as the singular name of The Lamb and the singular name of God are written on the foreheads of the Elect, as stated in Revelation 14.1, we are told that this is His name ,as Jesus Christ and Theos are one God
The 144,000 are in the direct presence of God and will see His face, and they will worship Him
Observe that Revelation declares three separate times that Jesus name will be upon His believers, the 144,000 sealed. The First time that this is mentioned, Jesus declares, in the first person singular, that only He writes the name on His Elect. (Rev 3.12 " 13)
Thus, three separate times Revelation declares that Jesus name will be upon His Elect, with each of the Elect having three names written upon them: Theos, Jesus, & The New Jerusalem
Observe that the one speaking (lego) at the beginning of this section, to each of the seven assemblies (Rev Chapters 2 & 3), is applied to Jesus, and in each case, it ends with the proclamation that the Spirit is the one speaking " yet another indication of the deity interchangeability between the Spirit and Jesus

These verses also clearly indicate:

Father
Son
Spirit


Before the Throne of God

Further exemplifying that the 144,000 are the faithful followers of Jesus Christ, and that these Elect rank above all of His creation, we are once again given their physical location in Heaven (Rev 14.3 " 4)
Their location is shown to be before the elders; before the four living creatures; and before the singular Throne of God & The Lamb
The 144,000 are therefore in the direct presence of God; in the direct presence of Jesus Christ, and, as demonstrated in Rev 3.21, are actually in/on the Throne of God


From Revelation:

The Victorious are singularly united together for safety
They number in the thousands
They are from a tribe descended from Abraham
They have overcome Satan
They are united to Jesus Christ






106.1 initiates with the particle li
Li carries with it the classic definition which denotes purpose, result, consequence, end. The purpose for which, or the reason why, a thing is done. , and has been rendered as to
Thus, the particle li is about to give the reader an end-result, and a reason why something has been done
Li is inseparably coupled to the verbal-noun elafi
Elafi means a uniting or joining together with the purpose of safety and protection
Li-eelafi therefore means to unite singularly, giving as a reason, safety and protection
The root alifa, from which li-eelafi is derived, means the uniting of a quantity: A thousand. A certain number, well known, i.e. a certain round number, namely a thousand.
Observing the 22 occurrences of the root alifa, and its eighteen Koranic derivatives, outside of sura 106, represents the following three things:

1) A rounded number based upon 1,000
2) allah uniting/joining
3) Consoling

The final noun in this ayah is qurayshin
Qurayshin is used only this once in the Koran, and has been rendered as victorious
Qurayshin also carries with it the definition, the Name of an Arab tribe descended from Abraham of which Muhammads grandfather was the chief.
This sheds much light on the topic, as it can be demonstrated that the Koranic Muhammad is actually an epithet pertaining to the Biblical Jesus Christ
Hence, this tribe, descended from Abraham, and from which Jesus Christ traces His earthly lineage, and had a grandfather as chief, would have to be corresponding to the Tribe(s) of Israel via King David, same as declared in the book of Revelation
The root qarasha, from which qurayshin is derived, provides even deeper insight with the definition: he gained, acquired, or earned, and collected for his family
This imparts to us that a singular Male collects His family

Hence, we have the following summary of 106.1 which directly parallels that of Revelation


Copied into sura 106:

The Victorious are singularly united together for safety
They number in the thousands
They are from a tribe descended from Abraham
They are united to Muhammad (i.e. Jesus Christ)

Wrong translation, till now you hav;nt come up with any right translation Apple_pie
This verse refers to tribe of Quraish, was the tribe of Quraish mention in your book of revelation? your whole interpretation is wrong.. want me to show the real one again?
Y even after loosing all debate you are still insisting on your thoughts to be impose on others?
(106:1) Since the Quraysh became accustomed,1
*1 The word ilaf, as used in the original is from alf which means to be habituated and accustomed to be reunited after breaking up, and to adopt something as a habit. About the lam that is prefixed to ilaf, some Arabists have expressed the opinion that it is to express surprise and wonder. Thus, Li-ilaf-i Quraish in means: "How surprising is the conduct of Quraish! It is only by virtue of Allah's bounty that they are reunited after their dispersion and have become accustomed to the trade journeys which have brought them their prosperity,. and yet from Allah's worship and service they are turning away." 'This is the opinion of Akhfash, Kisa'i and Farra', and holding this opinion something after this lam, the same thing itself is regarded as sufficient to show that the attitude and conduct a person has adopted in spite of it, is surprising and amazing". On the contrary, KhaIil bin Ahmad, Sibawaih and Zamakhshari say that this is the lam of to lil and it relates to the following sentence: Fa! ya budu Rabba hadh a!-Bait, which means: "Allah's blessings on the Quraish are countless. But if for no other blessing, they should worship Allah at least for this blessing that by His bounty they became accustomed to the trade journeys, for this by itself is indeed a great favour of Allah to them. "

(106:2) accustomed to the journey of winter and summer,2
*2 That is, the trade journeys. In summer the Quraish travelled northward to Syria and Palestine, for they are cool lands, and in winter southward to Yaman, etc. for they are warm.

(106:3) therefore, let them worship the Lord of this House;3
*3 "This House": the Holy Ka'bah. The sentence means that the Quraish have attained to this blessing only by virtue of the House of Allah. They themselves acknowledge that the 360 idols, which they worship, are not its lord, but Allah alone is its Lord. He alone saved them from the invasion of the army of elephants. Him alone they had invoked for help against Abrahah's army. 'It was His House the keeping of which enhanced their rank and position in Arabia, for before that they were dispersed and commanded no position whatever. Like the common Arab tribes they too were scattered factions of a race. But when they rallied round this House in Makkah and began to serve it, they became, honourable throughout Arabia, and their trade caravans began to visit every part of the country fearlessly. Therefore, whatever they have achieved, it has been possible only by the help of the Lord of this House; therefore, they should worship Him alone.

(106:4) Who fed them against hunger,4 and secured them against fear.5
*4 The allusion implies that before the Quraish came to Makkah, they were a scattered people in Arabia and living miserable lives. After their gathering together in Makkah they began to prosper, and the Prophet Abraham's prayer for them was literally fulfilled when he had prayed: "Lord, I have settled some of my descendents in a barren valley near Thy sacred House. Lord, I have done this in the hope that they will establish salat there. So turn the hearts of the people towards them, and provide fruits for their food." (Ibrahim: 37)

*5 "Secure against fear" : secure from the fear from which no one anywhere in Arabia was, safe. There was no settlement anywhere in the country the people of which could sleep peacefully at night, for they feared an attack any time from any quarter by some unknown enemy. No one could step out of the bounds of his tribe for fear of life or of being taken prisoner and made a slave. No caravan could travel safely from fear of attack, or without bribing influential chiefs of the tribes' on the way for safe conduct, But the Quraish were immune from every danger; they had no fear of an attack from an enemy. Their caravans, small or big, freely passed on the trade routes everywhere in the country. As soon as it become known about a certain caravan that it belonged to the keepers of the Kabah, no one could dare touch it with an evil intention, so much so that even if a single Quraishite was passing on the way, he was allowed to pass unharmed and untouched as soon as the word haram " or "ana min haramillah " was heard from him.

[McCulloch]

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The phrase "So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice" is not the same as "the scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing, and has seven horns and seven eyes". You claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

Demonstrate your assertion with the Greek & Arabic, brother.

If you can't then what do you have....another retractable assertion...

I will not pretend to have competence in an area of knowledge which I do not.

However, it is inconceivable to me that that rather vast number of translators of the Book of Revelation from Greek into English would have all consistently messed up. Therefore, I conclude that the original does contain a reference to a scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing and has seven horns and seven eyes. Do you concur?

The translation for 108.2 was provided by you. For the time being, I am willing to take that translation at face value. It contains no reference to a scroll, the number seven, any seals or eyes.

Even without deep linguistic analysis, it is quite safe to conclude that 108.2 was not copied directly from the Book of Revelation. However, since according to you 75% of the Qu'ran is a direct copy from the Book of Revelation, it should be no trouble for you to find a more fitting example. You know, one where the wording is recognizably similar. Please show the similarity using whichever translation from Greek and Arabic you choose.

[Apple Pie]

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The phrase "So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice" is not the same as "the scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing, and has seven horns and seven eyes". You claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

Demonstrate your assertion with the Greek & Arabic, brother.

If you can't then what do you have....another retractable assertion...

I will not pretend to have competence in an area of knowledge which I do not.

However, it is inconceivable to me that that rather vast number of translators of the Book of Revelation from Greek into English would have all consistently messed up. Therefore, I conclude that the original does contain a reference to a scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing and has seven horns and seven eyes. Do you concur?

The translation for 108.2 was provided by you. For the time being, I am willing to take that translation at face value. It contains no reference to a scroll, the number seven, any seals or eyes.

Even without deep linguistic analysis, it is quite safe to conclude that 108.2 was not copied directly from the Book of Revelation. However, since according to you 75% of the Qu'ran is a direct copy from the Book of Revelation, it should be no trouble for you to find a more fitting example. You know, one where the wording is recognizably similar. Please show the similarity using whichever translation from Greek and Arabic you choose.

Yet another unsubstantiated assertion, brother.

Show us directly which Arabic and Greek words you used to arrive at your conclusion....just like we did.

If you can't even articulate the languages that you are basing your assertion upon, then you have nothing.

[Goat]

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The phrase "So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice" is not the same as "the scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing, and has seven horns and seven eyes". You claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

Demonstrate your assertion with the Greek & Arabic, brother.

If you can't then what do you have....another retractable assertion...

Please demonstrate your own, since we have a native Arabic speaker disagreeing with you.

[Apple Pie]

Fasalli lirabbika wainhar

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice.

The phrase "So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice" is not the same as "the scroll with seven seals and the lamb that appears as slaughtered yet standing, and has seven horns and seven eyes". You claim that 75% of the Koran was copied directly from the Book of Revelation. How about coming up with an example where the wording at least is similar.

Demonstrate your assertion with the Greek & Arabic, brother.

If you can't then what do you have....another retractable assertion...

Please demonstrate your own, since we have a native Arabic speaker disagreeing with you.

Done.