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50,000 errors in Bible

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The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?

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TrueReligion wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?
Are you assuming the JWs are correct? If so, what leads you to believe this? If not, why would the Christian world change something in their holy writ that is already correct?

Have I misunderstood your question?

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Re: 50,000 errors in Bible

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Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?
Are you assuming the JWs are correct? If so, what leads you to believe this? If not, why would the Christian world change something in their holy writ that is already correct?

Have I misunderstood your question?
Well Sir, You have to ask any JW for their comment.
Also, its not only JW's which made this claim, several other christiann scholars also confirmed this.

According to the findings of Mill the number of such variations in the text of the
Bible is thirty thousand, and according to Gricsbach it is one hundred and fifty thousand and according to Sholtz the number of such variations is innumerable and unknown.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica under the entry, Scripture, in vol. 19 includes the
statement of Wettstein that the number of such variations in the Bible is one million.

You can find description and history of these scholars in internet, its available.

For few erros, I will quote below, with source and verse as well.

1-> I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

2->There is great discrepancy in the description of genealogical
names in I Chronicles 8:29-35 and 9:35-44. This contradiction was noticed by Adam Clarke who says in volume 2 of his commentary: The Jewish scholars claim that Ezra had found two books which contained these sentences with the contradicting names and since he could not prefer one to the other, he included both of them.

3-> We read in 2 Samuel 24:13: So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? However
we read in 1 Chr. 21:12: Either three years famine or.... The contradiction is quite obvious, since the former statement speaks of seven years of famine while the latter statement mentions only three years of famine referring to the same occasion. The commentators of the Bible have admitted that the former statement is erroneous.

4-> In 2 Kings 8:26 we find this statement: Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. In
contrast with the above statement we read in 2 Chr. 22:2: Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign... This contradiction speaks for itself. The latter statement is obviously wrong and the commentators on the Bible have admitted this to be the case. It has to be wrong because the age of Ahaziahs father, Jehoram, at the time of his death was 40 years and Ahaziah began reigning just after the death of his father as is known from the previous chapter. In this case if we did not negate the latter statement it would mean that the son was two years older than his father.

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

There are hundreds of them, I wil just leave you with 5 1st, so you can analyze yourself.

Thanks

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TrueReligion wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?
Are you assuming the JWs are correct? If so, what leads you to believe this? If not, why would the Christian world change something in their holy writ that is already correct?

Have I misunderstood your question?
Well Sir, You have to ask any JW for their comment.
Also, its not only JW's which made this claim, several other christiann scholars also confirmed this.

According to the findings of Mill the number of such variations in the text of the
Bible is thirty thousand, and according to Gricsbach it is one hundred and fifty thousand and according to Sholtz the number of such variations is innumerable and unknown.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica under the entry, Scripture, in vol. 19 includes the
statement of Wettstein that the number of such variations in the Bible is one million.

You can find description and history of these scholars in internet, its available.

For few erros, I will quote below, with source and verse as well.

1-> I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

2->There is great discrepancy in the description of genealogical
names in I Chronicles 8:29-35 and 9:35-44. This contradiction was noticed by Adam Clarke who says in volume 2 of his commentary: The Jewish scholars claim that Ezra had found two books which contained these sentences with the contradicting names and since he could not prefer one to the other, he included both of them.

3-> We read in 2 Samuel 24:13: So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? However
we read in 1 Chr. 21:12: Either three years famine or.... The contradiction is quite obvious, since the former statement speaks of seven years of famine while the latter statement mentions only three years of famine referring to the same occasion. The commentators of the Bible have admitted that the former statement is erroneous.

4-> In 2 Kings 8:26 we find this statement: Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. In
contrast with the above statement we read in 2 Chr. 22:2: Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign... This contradiction speaks for itself. The latter statement is obviously wrong and the commentators on the Bible have admitted this to be the case. It has to be wrong because the age of Ahaziahs father, Jehoram, at the time of his death was 40 years and Ahaziah began reigning just after the death of his father as is known from the previous chapter. In this case if we did not negate the latter statement it would mean that the son was two years older than his father.

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

There are hundreds of them, I wil just leave you with 5 1st, so you can analyze yourself.

Thanks
OK, so this isn't really about the JWs - though you opened with them - but rather a commentary on why there seems so much contradiction in the Biblical text as well as disagreement between Christian sects on what it actually should say?

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Re: 50,000 errors in Bible

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Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?
Are you assuming the JWs are correct? If so, what leads you to believe this? If not, why would the Christian world change something in their holy writ that is already correct?

Have I misunderstood your question?
Well Sir, You have to ask any JW for their comment.
Also, its not only JW's which made this claim, several other christiann scholars also confirmed this.

According to the findings of Mill the number of such variations in the text of the
Bible is thirty thousand, and according to Gricsbach it is one hundred and fifty thousand and according to Sholtz the number of such variations is innumerable and unknown.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica under the entry, Scripture, in vol. 19 includes the
statement of Wettstein that the number of such variations in the Bible is one million.

You can find description and history of these scholars in internet, its available.

For few erros, I will quote below, with source and verse as well.

1-> I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

2->There is great discrepancy in the description of genealogical
names in I Chronicles 8:29-35 and 9:35-44. This contradiction was noticed by Adam Clarke who says in volume 2 of his commentary: The Jewish scholars claim that Ezra had found two books which contained these sentences with the contradicting names and since he could not prefer one to the other, he included both of them.

3-> We read in 2 Samuel 24:13: So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? However
we read in 1 Chr. 21:12: Either three years famine or.... The contradiction is quite obvious, since the former statement speaks of seven years of famine while the latter statement mentions only three years of famine referring to the same occasion. The commentators of the Bible have admitted that the former statement is erroneous.

4-> In 2 Kings 8:26 we find this statement: Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. In
contrast with the above statement we read in 2 Chr. 22:2: Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign... This contradiction speaks for itself. The latter statement is obviously wrong and the commentators on the Bible have admitted this to be the case. It has to be wrong because the age of Ahaziahs father, Jehoram, at the time of his death was 40 years and Ahaziah began reigning just after the death of his father as is known from the previous chapter. In this case if we did not negate the latter statement it would mean that the son was two years older than his father.

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

There are hundreds of them, I wil just leave you with 5 1st, so you can analyze yourself.

Thanks
OK, so this isn't really about the JWs - though you opened with them - but rather a commentary on why there seems so much contradiction in the Biblical text as well as disagreement between Christian sects on what it actually should say?
Right Sir, the main is the errors in bible, is it cleared or still existing?

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Re: 50,000 errors in Bible

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TrueReligion wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?
Are you assuming the JWs are correct? If so, what leads you to believe this? If not, why would the Christian world change something in their holy writ that is already correct?

Have I misunderstood your question?
Well Sir, You have to ask any JW for their comment.
Also, its not only JW's which made this claim, several other christiann scholars also confirmed this.

According to the findings of Mill the number of such variations in the text of the
Bible is thirty thousand, and according to Gricsbach it is one hundred and fifty thousand and according to Sholtz the number of such variations is innumerable and unknown.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica under the entry, Scripture, in vol. 19 includes the
statement of Wettstein that the number of such variations in the Bible is one million.

You can find description and history of these scholars in internet, its available.

For few erros, I will quote below, with source and verse as well.

1-> I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

2->There is great discrepancy in the description of genealogical
names in I Chronicles 8:29-35 and 9:35-44. This contradiction was noticed by Adam Clarke who says in volume 2 of his commentary: The Jewish scholars claim that Ezra had found two books which contained these sentences with the contradicting names and since he could not prefer one to the other, he included both of them.

3-> We read in 2 Samuel 24:13: So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? However
we read in 1 Chr. 21:12: Either three years famine or.... The contradiction is quite obvious, since the former statement speaks of seven years of famine while the latter statement mentions only three years of famine referring to the same occasion. The commentators of the Bible have admitted that the former statement is erroneous.

4-> In 2 Kings 8:26 we find this statement: Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. In
contrast with the above statement we read in 2 Chr. 22:2: Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign... This contradiction speaks for itself. The latter statement is obviously wrong and the commentators on the Bible have admitted this to be the case. It has to be wrong because the age of Ahaziahs father, Jehoram, at the time of his death was 40 years and Ahaziah began reigning just after the death of his father as is known from the previous chapter. In this case if we did not negate the latter statement it would mean that the son was two years older than his father.

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

There are hundreds of them, I wil just leave you with 5 1st, so you can analyze yourself.

Thanks
OK, so this isn't really about the JWs - though you opened with them - but rather a commentary on why there seems so much contradiction in the Biblical text as well as disagreement between Christian sects on what it actually should say?
Right Sir, the main is the errors in bible, is it cleared or still existing?
It's pretty common knowledge there are many contradictions in the Biblical record. What conclusions do you draw as a result of this?

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Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?
Are you assuming the JWs are correct? If so, what leads you to believe this? If not, why would the Christian world change something in their holy writ that is already correct?

Have I misunderstood your question?
Well Sir, You have to ask any JW for their comment.
Also, its not only JW's which made this claim, several other christiann scholars also confirmed this.

According to the findings of Mill the number of such variations in the text of the
Bible is thirty thousand, and according to Gricsbach it is one hundred and fifty thousand and according to Sholtz the number of such variations is innumerable and unknown.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica under the entry, Scripture, in vol. 19 includes the
statement of Wettstein that the number of such variations in the Bible is one million.

You can find description and history of these scholars in internet, its available.

For few erros, I will quote below, with source and verse as well.

1-> I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

2->There is great discrepancy in the description of genealogical
names in I Chronicles 8:29-35 and 9:35-44. This contradiction was noticed by Adam Clarke who says in volume 2 of his commentary: The Jewish scholars claim that Ezra had found two books which contained these sentences with the contradicting names and since he could not prefer one to the other, he included both of them.

3-> We read in 2 Samuel 24:13: So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? However
we read in 1 Chr. 21:12: Either three years famine or.... The contradiction is quite obvious, since the former statement speaks of seven years of famine while the latter statement mentions only three years of famine referring to the same occasion. The commentators of the Bible have admitted that the former statement is erroneous.

4-> In 2 Kings 8:26 we find this statement: Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. In
contrast with the above statement we read in 2 Chr. 22:2: Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign... This contradiction speaks for itself. The latter statement is obviously wrong and the commentators on the Bible have admitted this to be the case. It has to be wrong because the age of Ahaziahs father, Jehoram, at the time of his death was 40 years and Ahaziah began reigning just after the death of his father as is known from the previous chapter. In this case if we did not negate the latter statement it would mean that the son was two years older than his father.

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

There are hundreds of them, I wil just leave you with 5 1st, so you can analyze yourself.

Thanks
OK, so this isn't really about the JWs - though you opened with them - but rather a commentary on why there seems so much contradiction in the Biblical text as well as disagreement between Christian sects on what it actually should say?
Right Sir, the main is the errors in bible, is it cleared or still existing?
It's pretty common knowledge there are many contradictions in the Biblical record. What conclusions do you draw as a result of this?
The conclusion is obvious sir, that its not God's word at all,
In the begining of this post, you mention that "Why would the christian would change something in their holy writing that is already correct?"

So which one should I take as correct? are you believing that Bible is with errors?

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TrueReligion wrote:The conclusion is obvious sir, that its not God's word at all,
In the begining of this post, you mention that "Why would the christian would change something in their holy writing that is already correct?"

So which one should I take as correct? are you believing that Bible is with errors?
Well, I'm not sure how obvious it is though I can appreciate your concern. What do you think the standard should be when scrutinizing the Biblical text? For example, there seems to be an age discrepancy regards to this Ahaziah. Out of curiosity, does this discrepancy alone merit your conclusion that it is not God's will?

Before we go any further and though I may have already welcomed you once, welcome to the forum, TrueReligion. Please don't misunderstand my questioning. I do not intend them to be annoying. At this point I am only trying to flesh out more exactly what your stand is and how you have come to such a conclusion. Whether this will bear fruits for a continued exchange remains to be seen. ;)

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Vanguard wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:The conclusion is obvious sir, that its not God's word at all,
In the begining of this post, you mention that "Why would the christian would change something in their holy writing that is already correct?"

So which one should I take as correct? are you believing that Bible is with errors?
Well, I'm not sure how obvious it is though I can appreciate your concern. What do you think the standard should be when scrutinizing the Biblical text? For example, there seems to be an age discrepancy regards to this Ahaziah. Out of curiosity, does this discrepancy alone merit your conclusion that it is not God's will?

Before we go any further and though I may have already welcomed you once, welcome to the forum, TrueReligion. Please don't misunderstand my questioning. I do not intend them to be annoying. At this point I am only trying to flesh out more exactly what your stand is and how you have come to such a conclusion. Whether this will bear fruits for a continued exchange remains to be seen. ;)
Welll Sir, its not only 1 example of age, there are many more as I mentioned, and other scholars admmited of christianity.

The reason for bringing this topic here is, that Torah, Bible, Quran, all came from 1 source, that is 1 God. Now for Bible and Torah, its proven fro history, that the texts of these scriptures were distorted under several circumstances, e.g war and further etc etc, which is fact as well.
So the last remaining is Quran, which is tilll now, not tempered and saved still, which is also proven by alll historians.
Therefore, to refer Bible as God's word, is also not correct.

I'am very delighted that you welccome me, and showed good character as well . I appreciate it a lot, and hope to have a healty discussion in future as well.

Thanks and Regards

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