Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[Tiberius47]

If any religion can show that its holy tet contains clear, unambiguous scientific information that the people of the time could not possibly know, I'll convert to that religion.

I do believe my atheism is safe....

Religious scriptures can show you signs as guidance only, it wont give you totaly formulaes etc etc so what kind of scientific proof you want in any kind of religion friend?

A passage in a holy text that said something like...

And the Earth moved in a great circle around the sun, held in place by the sun's mass. And the circle was not perfect, but was longer in one direction than the perpendicular, and the passage of the Earth swept out equal areas in equal times. And the sun shone with the light of its tiniest parts coming together.

That neatly describes a heliocentric solar system, elliptical orbits, Kepler's second law of planetary motion, gravity (as well as what causes it) and references the nuclear fusion which keeps the sun burning.

A god would be perfectly capable of communicating that knowledge to ancient people, and it is something that could not possibly be known to those people.

Any religious text with knowlege like this - clear, unambiguous and unknowable to the people of the time - would be very strong evidence for the validity of that religion.

And yet, when we look, we never find anything like this!

[Scotracer]

And the Earth moved in a great circle around the sun, held in place by the sun's mass. And the circle was not perfect, but was longer in one direction than the perpendicular, and the passage of the Earth swept out equal areas in equal times. And the sun shone with the light of its tiniest parts coming together.

Not only is that accurate but very poetic. I like it - thanks for sharing

God could have also mentioned something about the gravitational pull of the moon affecting tides, which would have been useful to the ancients.

[TrueReligion]

1st time I come to know that smoke means evil. dont know which world you live in:)

You need to be able to define the terms that you are using, brother.

This is the very premise.

No its not,

A water can be evil as well, when it turns into storm, and disaster it can bring to people. right?
But if you give definition of water as an evil, people will just laugh and nothing else.

Tossing around terms (especially extinct Arabic ones) without first defining them, will cause you to go down the wrong path, brother...

Its in your reply, where u showed smoke equals to evil and demon.

[TrueReligion]

If any religion can show that its holy tet contains clear, unambiguous scientific information that the people of the time could not possibly know, I'll convert to that religion.

I do believe my atheism is safe....

Religious scriptures can show you signs as guidance only, it wont give you totaly formulaes etc etc so what kind of scientific proof you want in any kind of religion friend?

A passage in a holy text that said something like...

And the Earth moved in a great circle around the sun, held in place by the sun's mass. And the circle was not perfect, but was longer in one direction than the perpendicular, and the passage of the Earth swept out equal areas in equal times. And the sun shone with the light of its tiniest parts coming together.

That neatly describes a heliocentric solar system, elliptical orbits, Kepler's second law of planetary motion, gravity (as well as what causes it) and references the nuclear fusion which keeps the sun burning.

A god would be perfectly capable of communicating that knowledge to ancient people, and it is something that could not possibly be known to those people.

Any religious text with knowlege like this - clear, unambiguous and unknowable to the people of the time - would be very strong evidence for the validity of that religion.

And yet, when we look, we never find anything like this!

I may quote you few verses, and their detail, to make it understand, if this is what you are refering.

For a long time European philosophers and scientists believed that the earth
stood still in the centre of the universe and every other body including the sun
moved around it. In the West, this geocentric concept of the universe was
prevalent right from the time of Ptolemy in the second century B.C. In 1512,
Nicholas Copernicus put forward his Heliocentric Theory of Planetary
Motion, which asserted that the sun is motionless at the centre of the solar
system with the planets revolving around it.
In 1609, the German scientist Yohannus Keppler published the Astronomia
Nova. In this he concluded that not only do the planets move in elliptical
orbits around the sun, they also rotate upon their axes at irregular speeds.
With this knowledge it became possible for European scientists to explain
correctly many of the mechanisms of the solar system including the sequence
of night and day.
After these discoveries, it was thought that the Sun was stationary and did not
rotate about its axis like the Earth. I remember having studied this fallacy
from Geography books during my school days. Consider the following
Quraanic verse: It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the
sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its
Rounded course. [Al-Quraan 21:33]
The Arabic word used in the above verse is yasbahn . The word yasbahn is
derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comesfrom any moving body. If you use the word for a man on the ground, it would
not mean that he is rolling but would mean he is walking or running. If you
use the word for a man in water it would not mean that he is floating but
would mean that he is swimming.
Similarly, if you use the word yasbah for a celestial body such as the sun it
would not mean that it is only flying through space but would mean that it is
also rotating as it goes through space. Most of the school textbooks have
incorporated the fact that the sun rotates about its axis. The rotation of the sun
about its own axis can be proved with the help of an equipment that projects
the image of the sun on the table top so that one can examine the image of the
sun without being blinded. It is noticed that the sun has spots which complete
a circular motion once every 25 days i.e. the sun takes approximately 25 days
to rotate around its axis.
In fact, the sun travels through space at roughly 150 miles per second, and
takes about 200 million years to complete one revolution around the center of
our Milky Way Galaxy.
It is not permitted To the Sun to catch up The Moon, nor can The Night
outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along In (its own) orbit (According to
Law). [Al-Quraan 36:40]This verse mentions an essential fact discovered by modern astronomy, i.e.
the existence of the individual orbits of the Sun and the Moon, and their
journey through space with their own motion. The fixed place towards,
which the sun travels, carrying with it the solar system, has been located
exactly by modern astronomy. It has been given a name, the Solar Apex. The
solar system is indeed moving in space towards a point situated in the
constellation of Hercules (alpha Layer) whose exact location is firmly
established.
The moon rotates around its axis in the same duration that it takes to revolve
around the earth. It takes approximately 29 days to complete one rotation.
One cannot help but be amazed at the scientific accuracy of the Quraanic verses. Should we not ponder over the question: What was the source of
knowledge contained in the Quraan?

[TrueReligion]

And the Earth moved in a great circle around the sun, held in place by the sun's mass. And the circle was not perfect, but was longer in one direction than the perpendicular, and the passage of the Earth swept out equal areas in equal times. And the sun shone with the light of its tiniest parts coming together.

Not only is that accurate but very poetic. I like it - thanks for sharing

God could have also mentioned something about the gravitational pull of the moon affecting tides, which would have been useful to the ancients.

I Can provide you link to read, because I think people have this thought that scriptures will give alll scientific knowledge in clear words, etc etc, religious scriptres shows signs in words, through which people derive the right meaning .
For your questio of gravitational pull of moon affecting tides, you can read below, it might help you.

http://www.speed-light.info/relativity_quran.htm

If the moon was closer to the earth, the tides would rise causing gigantic waves that would destroy life on islands and coastal areas. If the moon was further away from the earth the tides would come to a standstill leading to the stagnation of seas , the result of which would be grave damage to marine life. These very precise measurements of such variables as distance, mass, speed..etc. are referred to in the following verses:

"The sun and the moon precisely computed." 55:5

- The earth spins on it's axis once every 24 hours. If it didn't spin, the oceans would empty all their waters and if it spun much faster it would disperse into empty space.
The spinning movement is also responsible for the night and day, without which one half of the earth would be under continuous sunlight and heat up excessively while the other half would be submerged in total darkness and freeze to death.

The Quran speaks of the spinning of the Earth by saying:

"He (God) coils the night onto the day and coils the day onto the night" 39:5

The word "coils" is quite accurate in describing the spinning movement.


Hope it might help you

[Apple Pie]

Its in your reply, where u showed smoke equals to evil and demon.

We presented the classic Arabic lexical definition of what the term meant at the time that your book of faith was written, brother.

You cannot change the meaning of the term to fit with some modern islamic idea.

After all, you have not presented any verifiable classic definition of your own....thus, you really have no choice but to go with ours...

[Apple Pie]

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"He (God) coils the night onto the day and coils the day onto the night" 39:5

Here is the ayah in context...


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Law arada Allahu an yattakhitha waladan laistafa mimma yakhluqu ma yashao subhanahu huwa Allahu alwahidu alqahharu khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi yukawwiru allayla AAala alnnahari wayukawwiru alnnahara AAala allayli wasakhkhara alshshamsa waalqamara kullun yajree li-ajalin musamman ala huwa alAAazeezu alghaffaru

Although allah he intended that he takes a son; he has not chosen from that which he creates, (but) what he wills, glory be to him, he, allah, the one, the supreme. He created the heavens and the earth through The Truth. He causes to revolve the night onto the day, and He causes to revolve the day onto the night, and He made subservient the sun and the moon, each pursues its course to a fixed and appointed term, is He not the all-mighty, the most protecting one? (39.4 " 5)


As you can see for yourself, the god "allah" is incapable of creating the Universe by himself.

He requires the assistance of the Son, Jesus Christ, (The Truth).

This, then, makes Jesus Christ present at the time that the Universe was created.

[TrueReligion]

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"He (God) coils the night onto the day and coils the day onto the night" 39:5

Here is the ayah in context...


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Law arada Allahu an yattakhitha waladan laistafa mimma yakhluqu ma yashao subhanahu huwa Allahu alwahidu alqahharu khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi yukawwiru allayla AAala alnnahari wayukawwiru alnnahara AAala allayli wasakhkhara alshshamsa waalqamara kullun yajree li-ajalin musamman ala huwa alAAazeezu alghaffaru

Although allah he intended that he takes a son; he has not chosen from that which he creates, (but) what he wills, glory be to him, he, allah, the one, the supreme. He created the heavens and the earth through The Truth. He causes to revolve the night onto the day, and He causes to revolve the day onto the night, and He made subservient the sun and the moon, each pursues its course to a fixed and appointed term, is He not the all-mighty, the most protecting one? (39.4 " 5)


As you can see for yourself, the god "allah" is incapable of creating the Universe by himself.

He requires the assistance of the Son, Jesus Christ, (The Truth).

This, then, makes Jesus Christ present at the time that the Universe was created.

No one ask Jesus Christ here. we are talking about Dukhan = Smoke.

The chapter is names after the verse 10
"

(44:10) So watch for the Day when the sky will come down with a pall of smoke.

Cann't understand wats relation of evil here, ? Can some1 help solve the mystery of Apple_Pie?

[TrueReligion]

Its in your reply, where u showed smoke equals to evil and demon.

We presented the classic Arabic lexical definition of what the term meant at the time that your book of faith was written, brother.

You cannot change the meaning of the term to fit with some modern islamic idea.

After all, you have not presented any verifiable classic definition of your own....thus, you really have no choice but to go with ours...

Still yoou have;;nt provided the proof, where does it say that smoke is equal meaning to Evil.

[Goat]

Its in your reply, where u showed smoke equals to evil and demon.

We presented the classic Arabic lexical definition of what the term meant at the time that your book of faith was written, brother.

You cannot change the meaning of the term to fit with some modern islamic idea.

After all, you have not presented any verifiable classic definition of your own....thus, you really have no choice but to go with ours...

Still yoou have;;nt provided the proof, where does it say that smoke is equal meaning to Evil.

I would have to say, looking at the context , the term 'smoke' is not related to evil.
I would have to say that Apple Pie's claims are refuted.

It seems that Apple Pie has the problem with understanding the concept of 'context'.