50,000 errors in Bible

[TrueReligion]

The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?

[TrueReligion]

The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?

Your link goes nowhere.

You want me to post the errors?

It would help, along with authorship

I post it earlier,now will post again for your hlp.

According to the findings of Mill the number of such variations in the text of the
Bible is thirty thousand, and according to Gricsbach it is one hundred and fifty thousand and according to Sholtz the number of such variations is innumerable and unknown.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica under the entry, Scripture, in vol. 19 includes the
statement of Wettstein that the number of such variations in the Bible is one million.

You can find description and history of these scholars in internet, its available.

For few erros, I will quote below, with source and verse as well.

1-> I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

2->There is great discrepancy in the description of genealogical
names in I Chronicles 8:29-35 and 9:35-44. This contradiction was noticed by Adam Clarke who says in volume 2 of his commentary: The Jewish scholars claim that Ezra had found two books which contained these sentences with the contradicting names and since he could not prefer one to the other, he included both of them.

3-> We read in 2 Samuel 24:13: So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? However
we read in 1 Chr. 21:12: Either three years famine or.... The contradiction is quite obvious, since the former statement speaks of seven years of famine while the latter statement mentions only three years of famine referring to the same occasion. The commentators of the Bible have admitted that the former statement is erroneous.

4-> In 2 Kings 8:26 we find this statement: Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. In
contrast with the above statement we read in 2 Chr. 22:2: Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign... This contradiction speaks for itself. The latter statement is obviously wrong and the commentators on the Bible have admitted this to be the case. It has to be wrong because the age of Ahaziahs father, Jehoram, at the time of his death was 40 years and Ahaziah began reigning just after the death of his father as is known from the previous chapter. In this case if we did not negate the latter statement it would mean that the son was two years older than his father.

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

I will leave you with few to analyze, if you want more, will post with authority

[Wyvern]

You are looking in different way, What is there to understand is, that God is same for Jews, Christians and Muslims.. (not Jesus).
God send books to prophets, like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.

You got this wrong to christians Jesus is part of god, I know you have been told this before but you don't seem to be able to accept anything that does not agree with you islamic perspective.

Historicaly its proven that Torah and Injeel is lost long time, and both MMoses, and Jesus never wrote in their life time, nor they adviced any1 to write it down. which meanns the word of God was not writen by these prophets.

Since muslims like to say that mohammed was illiterate so he didn't write the koran either I don't see there being much difference between scribes writing down what is said and followers writing down what is said.

Later on, Jews, and christians with their minds, try to write it in book form, through mostly traditions, word of mouth without authentication, their own faith etc etcc, which lead to many contradictions andd errors. Therefore these books are no longer as books send by God. and cannot be termed as word of God anymmore.

I get it now, if anything in those other books disagrees with the koran you trot this out. You do understand we don't have the original koran which in fact didn't come about until after mohammed was dead don't you.

[Guest]

In light of the ones you posted, Are all these 50,000 errors all numbers?

[TrueReligion]

In light of the ones you posted, Are all these 50,000 errors all numbers?

Can this site of Debating Christinanity take 50,000 in 1 post? if you want full list, contact Awake Magazine, they may provide youall list

[TrueReligion]

You are looking in different way, What is there to understand is, that God is same for Jews, Christians and Muslims.. (not Jesus).
God send books to prophets, like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.

You got this wrong to christians Jesus is part of god, I know you have been told this before but you don't seem to be able to accept anything that does not agree with you islamic perspective.

Do all christian sects agree on Jesus being God? If we agree on you that Jesus is part of God in christianity, whom do he pray thn?

Historicaly its proven that Torah and Injeel is lost long time, and both MMoses, and Jesus never wrote in their life time, nor they adviced any1 to write it down. which meanns the word of God was not writen by these prophets.

Since muslims like to say that mohammed was illiterate so he didn't write the koran either I don't see there being much difference between scribes writing down what is said and followers writing down what is said.

Any evidence that Moses or Jesus dictate some1 to wrote Torah or Gospel?

Later on, Jews, and christians with their minds, try to write it in book form, through mostly traditions, word of mouth without authentication, their own faith etc etcc, which lead to many contradictions andd errors. Therefore these books are no longer as books send by God. and cannot be termed as word of God anymmore.

I get it now, if anything in those other books disagrees with the koran you trot this out. You do understand we don't have the original koran which in fact didn't come about until after mohammed was dead don't you.

Any historical proof of Original Quran being lost and the one available? or its only your crying statement as hatred towards muslims as always?

[Wyvern]

Do all christian sects agree on Jesus being God? If we agree on you that Jesus is part of God in christianity, whom do he pray thn?

Yes they do, in christianity they have what's called a triune god which means three in one and it consists of god the father jesus the son and the holy spirit. I like to think of it like the hindu belief that gods can send avatars of themselves to earth.

Any evidence that Moses or Jesus dictate some1 to wrote Torah or Gospel?

Any evidence mohammed who supposedly was illiterate wrote anything? What is the difference between having scribes write down what is said and friends and followers writing down what is said? Other than of course if you are a follower you have an extra reason for getting down what is said correctly.

Any historical proof of Original Quran being lost and the one available? or its only your crying statement as hatred towards muslims as always?

Any proof that mohammed actually put together the koran? The best I have found is that uthman put it together after mohammeds death and the earliest copies available is only a partial copy written in a script whose dating is in question. Supposedly an even earlier version is in existance in Yemen but the authorities there do not allow it to be seen so who knows what that says. You appear to have knowledge that the first koran exists, if so please share.

[TrueReligion]

Do all christian sects agree on Jesus being God? If we agree on you that Jesus is part of God in christianity, whom do he pray thn?

Yes they do, in christianity they have what's called a triune god which means three in one and it consists of god the father jesus the son and the holy spirit. I like to think of it like the hindu belief that gods can send avatars of themselves to earth.

Here it clearly shows how much lack of knowledge you have on this debate site.
Sects which dont believe in trinity are:
Mormons
Later Day Saints
lutheran
J-Witness
Orthodox have doubts still
Still many are there, you have to get more knowledge of this, ur statement is false

Any evidence that Moses or Jesus dictate some1 to wrote Torah or Gospel?

Any evidence mohammed who supposedly was illiterate wrote anything? What is the difference between having scribes write down what is said and friends and followers writing down what is said? Other than of course if you are a follower you have an extra reason for getting down what is said correctly.

Ofcourse revelation came to Muhammad, who memorized it, and dictated his companions to write it, your claim again is wrong

Any historical proof of Original Quran being lost and the one available? or its only your crying statement as hatred towards muslims as always?

Any proof that mohammed actually put together the koran? The best I have found is that uthman put it together after mohammeds death and the earliest copies available is only a partial copy written in a script whose dating is in question. Supposedly an even earlier version is in existance in Yemen but the authorities there do not allow it to be seen so who knows what that says. You appear to have knowledge that the first koran exists, if so please share.

The complete Quran was with Hafsa (wife of Muhammad), and the Quran in other parts of arabia and Islamic kingdom, was having added footnotes, which people thought as part of Quran in those areas, and also the enemies of Islam, tried to bring conflict over this, For this , Uthman as the 3rd Caliph and highest authority at that time, burned those Quran with footnotes,and used the original manuscript from Hafsa to be taken as future correct Quran,
Its a known fact, proven by history and authenticated by many, Christian scholars use only half argument that Uthman burned the Quran, but never bring the complete fact and story.

Lastly, please be on topic,whch suggests errors in Bible, no more details of Quran will be discussed, as we have another topic for that, if you have any confusion or claim to support bible dont have errors, bring it on.

[Wyvern]

Here it clearly shows how much lack of knowledge you have on this debate site.
Sects which dont believe in trinity are:
Mormons
Later Day Saints
lutheran
J-Witness
Orthodox have doubts still
Still many are there, you have to get more knowledge of this, ur statement is false

The mormons are also known as the church of later day saints and many consider them a cult, also they follow the book of mormon primarily, not the bible. We have mostly lutherans in this area and they do also hold to the triune god. JW are in general considered to be a bunch of nuts and you will have to be more specific on which variety of orthodoxy you are talking about.

Ofcourse revelation came to Muhammad, who memorized it, and dictated his companions to write it, your claim again is wrong

Jesus said many things and his folowers wrote it down without being told to. Revelation came to Joseph Smith and he found some gold plates an angel supposedly told him about which he translated and dictated to a companion, heck he did it twice. How are any of these different?

The complete Quran was with Hafsa (wife of Muhammad), and the Quran in other parts of arabia and Islamic kingdom, was having added footnotes, which people thought as part of Quran in those areas, and also the enemies of Islam, tried to bring conflict over this, For this , Uthman as the 3rd Caliph and highest authority at that time, burned those Quran with footnotes,and used the original manuscript from Hafsa to be taken as future correct Quran,
Its a known fact, proven by history and authenticated by many, Christian scholars use only half argument that Uthman burned the Quran, but never bring the complete fact and story.

So Uthman purged anything he considered unauthentic, do you have a copy of this Hafsa edition? Oldest I have seen is an Uthman edition if you have something older please show.

[TrueReligion]

Here it clearly shows how much lack of knowledge you have on this debate site.
Sects which dont believe in trinity are:
Mormons
Later Day Saints
lutheran
J-Witness
Orthodox have doubts still
Still many are there, you have to get more knowledge of this, ur statement is false

The mormons are also known as the church of later day saints and many consider them a cult, also they follow the book of mormon primarily, not the bible. We have mostly lutherans in this area and they do also hold to the triune god. JW are in general considered to be a bunch of nuts and you will have to be more specific on which variety of orthodoxy you are talking about.

So you called J-witness nuts? cause they dont suit you? but they are christians right?the question here is how many sects not believe in trinity, even 1 is not believing, my claim is right and you are wrong

Ofcourse revelation came to Muhammad, who memorized it, and dictated his companions to write it, your claim again is wrong

Jesus said many things and his folowers wrote it down without being told to. Revelation came to Joseph Smith and he found some gold plates an angel supposedly told him about which he translated and dictated to a companion, heck he did it twice. How are any of these different?

Did his diciple wrote anything? Did Jesus checked himself what was writen?ofcourse its not authenticated by Jesus, so its rejected, its a rule of authenticity to be verified dont you know this simple rule?

The complete Quran was with Hafsa (wife of Muhammad), and the Quran in other parts of arabia and Islamic kingdom, was having added footnotes, which people thought as part of Quran in those areas, and also the enemies of Islam, tried to bring conflict over this, For this , Uthman as the 3rd Caliph and highest authority at that time, burned those Quran with footnotes,and used the original manuscript from Hafsa to be taken as future correct Quran,
Its a known fact, proven by history and authenticated by many, Christian scholars use only half argument that Uthman burned the Quran, but never bring the complete fact and story.

So Uthman purged anything he considered unauthentic, do you have a copy of this Hafsa edition? Oldest I have seen is an Uthman edition if you have something older please show.

The oldest script is still being used today:) watmore you want, and the copy is stored in museum, you have to go their to verify,

Lastly, no more replies on Quran, bring bible errors otherwise I'am allowed not to answer without post,

[East of Eden]

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

Looking quickly at one, here are some likely explanations. No doubt there are similar ones for these 'discrepancies'.



As a believer reads the scriptures, he will occasionally come across what are termed "copyists errors." These are apparent discrepancies found primarily in the OT, particularly within the historical books of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles. The two books of Samuel with the two books of Kings parallel the two books of Chronicles in recording the history of Israel. Together, the six books begin with the monarchy of Saul and then finish with Cyrus's decree to allow the Jews safe return to the land. The copyists errors occur when the two sets of histories are studied concurrently. Information contained in Kings will be exactly the same as the account in Chronicles, but a slight alteration exists between the two narratives. This is the case with the two passages before us:

2 Kings 24:8 reads: Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem 3 months.

2 Chronicles 36:9 reads: Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned 3 months and 10 days.

The disparity has to do with Jehoiachin's age: Was he 18 when he began his reign as king or was he 8?

A standard study Bible will usually contain a footnote for these two passages that will read something like, This is a copyist error and the 18 of 2 Kings 24:8 is the correct rendering. The footnote may even state such ancient translations of the original Hebrew like the Septuagint even correct the error. Other scholarly works tend to provide a similar, vague and inconclusive answer. For example, in Gleason Archer's Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties, the authors comments on this problem are identical to the traditional study Bible footnote. Archer writes, Obviously there has been a textual error committed by the copyist. This type of error occurs now and then because of blurring or surface damage in the earlier manuscript. Archer then goes on to explain how a miswritten stroke over a series of numerical characters can be mistaken for an 8 rather than an 18. Another book, When Critics Ask, also deals with such problems. The authors, Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, give the same answer to the dilemma. They write, This is probably a copyist error. The text gives the description of an older man rather than a younger boy. Additionally, the Chaldeans condemned him to prison, indicating that they considered him to be a responsible adult.

It seems as if no one really grapples with the biblical account itself to find an answer. I respect their answer in that these solutions recognize the presence of textual variants, errors that arise between ancient, handwritten manuscripts copied and transmitted from one generation to the next and these variants will produce discrepancies between historical accounts. However, I do not believe all discrepancies are necessarily copyists errors. With many of these difficult passages, I think scholars lazily sweep the problem under the category of copyist error and do not provide a full study of the overall text where the alleged error is found. Can we honestly say that all such difficult discrepancies fall into the realm of a copyists error? I do not think so and when we reconsider these portions of scripture, I believe there are some other reasonable solutions from the actual passages.

(1). The first solution is quite simple. During a monarchy a king would make a son co-regent with him while he was still alive. This practice would assure the king's favored son (usually the first-born of the favored wife) as being the next king. Some of the kings had more than one wife, and thus several sons from these wives. To prevent civil war and fighting among the family, he would appoint the selected son as co-regent, so when he died, the co-regent son would be in place to take over completely. An example of this is seen in the life of David. In 1 Kings 1 and 2, David in his dying days called Solomon and had the high priest, as well as the prophet Nathan, anoint him before the people. David, though he was still king, made his son Solomon co-regent. Coming to 2 Kings 24:8, the biblical record is giving the age of Jehoiachin as 18. The cross-reference of 8 years old in 2 Chronicles 36:9 could be his age when he was made the co-regent with his father.

(2). A second solution involves the king's mother. When Jehoiachin was 8 years old, his father, Jehoiakim, was deported (2 Chron. 36:6). The young king ruled jointly with his mother, the queen, until he too was led away captive. The reasoning behind this view is that women were not necessarily listed in the historical record. Even though the king was young and the queen was probably making decisions, the official record would name Jehoiachin as the king. The one difficulty with this view, however, is that the biblical narrative would more than likely be more specific about such a situation. The one place that names a queen is 2 Kings 11 with Athaliah. If there were a joint rulership between Jehoiachin and his mother, such a deviation from the norm would have been discussed in the scripture. Some writers point out 2 Kings 24:12 where the text describes the king going to Babylon with his mother. They say this implies she ruled jointly with him, but nothing in the text remotely suggests such a conclusion. The phrase his mother does not mean she ruled with him anymore than the servants, princes, and officers also listed in the deportation recorded in the verse. Another passage is Jeremiah 13:8, where it speaks of the coming deportation of the king and queen. It is argued the queen is Jehoiachins mother, but the text is not specific. This queen could be his wife for all we know.

(3). The third solution, and the one that appears to be more biblical, hinges on the phrase 8 years old from 2 Chronicles 36:9. The 8 years does not refer to the actual age of Jehoiachin but is a time marker pointing to an event: the first invasion of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians. In 605 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar invaded the Mediterranean countries including Judah. It was during this first invasion when Daniel and many others were taken to Babylon in what was to be the first of 3 deportations. The second was in 598-597 B.C. with the taking of Jehoiachins father Jehoiakim. The Babylonians left Jehoiachin in power as a sort of puppet regent, but only for 3 months (2 Chron. 36:9 gives the exact figure of 3 months, 10 days). Like his father, Jehoiachin rebelled and the Babylonians returned to have him removed. They took him back to Babylon, and left his brother Zedekiah as king. Jehoiachin's appointment as king was 8 years after Nebuchadnezzar came to power and invaded Judah. This is the reason 2 Chronicles 36:9 has 8 years old. Second Kings 24:12 affirms this solution where it states, and the king of Babylon took him (Jehoiachin) in the 8th year of his (Nebuchadnezzar) reign.

On some occasions the biblical writers will count chronological dates from significant events. We reckon chronology in similar ways in our modern world. For all Americans, the 11th day of the 9th month of the year 2001 will forever be a significant date. In fact our society speaks of a pre-9/11 world and a post 9/11 world. This is the case here with Jehoiachin. The writer of Chronicles is reckoning his kingly appointment and his eventual capture from the time Nebuchadnezzar came to rule Babylon. Ezekiel, for example, does this in his book. He reckons dates and years from the captivity of Judah, (Ez. 1:7, 33:21, 40:1). Another example is found in 2 Chronicles 16:1 where the 36th year spoken of Asa may refer to the number of years after the division of the kingdom in 930 B.C., rather than his actual years as king.

It can be concluded, then, with a little study, these so-called "copyist errors" can be explained biblically. Granted, copyists errors may very well exist, but how much richer is the Bible to our souls when we first endeavor to dig a little and let God show us biblical based solutions to problems like these.