50,000 errors in Bible

[TrueReligion]

The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html

What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?

Then how come it becomes word of God?

[Guest]

In light of the ones you posted, Are all these 50,000 errors all numbers?

Can this site of Debating Christinanity take 50,000 in 1 post? if you want full list, contact Awake Magazine, they may provide youall list

Oh that explains it. Jehovahs Witness & Watchtower. . Not even worth debating. I have read there stuff. Most are numbers issues. They are the only ones getting into heaven and I believe only 144,000 since the beginning of time. But I guess you have to go door to door in pairs to make the grade.

[Wyvern]

Here it clearly shows how much lack of knowledge you have on this debate site.
Sects which dont believe in trinity are:
Mormons
Later Day Saints
lutheran
J-Witness
Orthodox have doubts still
Still many are there, you have to get more knowledge of this, ur statement is false

The mormons are also known as the church of later day saints and many consider them a cult, also they follow the book of mormon primarily, not the bible. We have mostly lutherans in this area and they do also hold to the triune god. JW are in general considered to be a bunch of nuts and you will have to be more specific on which variety of orthodoxy you are talking about.

So you called J-witness nuts? cause they dont suit you? but they are christians right?the question here is how many sects not believe in trinity, even 1 is not believing, my claim is right and you are wrong

Actually I have no idea if the JW believe in the trinity but it hardly matters since they are heretics to orthodoxy anyways.

Did his diciple wrote anything? Did Jesus checked himself what was writen?ofcourse its not authenticated by Jesus, so its rejected, its a rule of authenticity to be verified dont you know this simple rule?

Mohammed could not check what was written since he was illiterate, so is the whole of the koran to be rejected then? By your simple rule of authenticity you must reject the koran. Again how is this any different than the case of Jesus or Joseph Smith?

The oldest script is still being used today:) watmore you want, and the copy is stored in museum, you have to go their to verify,

Care to prove this claim, we have had members make the same claim for the bible and stated it was inerrant at the same time. Which museum is this original copy held so I can see for myself.

[TrueReligion]

5-> In 2 Kings 24:8 it is stated that: Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign... This statement is contradicted by 2 Chr. 36:9 which says:
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign... The contradiction is more than obvious. The second statement is erroneous as will be shown later in this book. This has been admitted by Bible commentators.

Looking quickly at one, here are some likely explanations. No doubt there are similar ones for these 'discrepancies'.



As a believer reads the scriptures, he will occasionally come across what are termed "copyists errors." These are apparent discrepancies found primarily in the OT, particularly within the historical books of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles. The two books of Samuel with the two books of Kings parallel the two books of Chronicles in recording the history of Israel. Together, the six books begin with the monarchy of Saul and then finish with Cyrus's decree to allow the Jews safe return to the land. The copyists errors occur when the two sets of histories are studied concurrently. Information contained in Kings will be exactly the same as the account in Chronicles, but a slight alteration exists between the two narratives. This is the case with the two passages before us:

2 Kings 24:8 reads: Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem 3 months.

2 Chronicles 36:9 reads: Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned 3 months and 10 days.

The disparity has to do with Jehoiachin's age: Was he 18 when he began his reign as king or was he 8?

A standard study Bible will usually contain a footnote for these two passages that will read something like, This is a copyist error and the 18 of 2 Kings 24:8 is the correct rendering. The footnote may even state such ancient translations of the original Hebrew like the Septuagint even correct the error. Other scholarly works tend to provide a similar, vague and inconclusive answer. For example, in Gleason Archer's Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties, the authors comments on this problem are identical to the traditional study Bible footnote. Archer writes, Obviously there has been a textual error committed by the copyist. This type of error occurs now and then because of blurring or surface damage in the earlier manuscript. Archer then goes on to explain how a miswritten stroke over a series of numerical characters can be mistaken for an 8 rather than an 18. Another book, When Critics Ask, also deals with such problems. The authors, Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, give the same answer to the dilemma. They write, This is probably a copyist error. The text gives the description of an older man rather than a younger boy. Additionally, the Chaldeans condemned him to prison, indicating that they considered him to be a responsible adult.

It seems as if no one really grapples with the biblical account itself to find an answer. I respect their answer in that these solutions recognize the presence of textual variants, errors that arise between ancient, handwritten manuscripts copied and transmitted from one generation to the next and these variants will produce discrepancies between historical accounts. However, I do not believe all discrepancies are necessarily copyists errors. With many of these difficult passages, I think scholars lazily sweep the problem under the category of copyist error and do not provide a full study of the overall text where the alleged error is found. Can we honestly say that all such difficult discrepancies fall into the realm of a copyists error? I do not think so and when we reconsider these portions of scripture, I believe there are some other reasonable solutions from the actual passages.

(1). The first solution is quite simple. During a monarchy a king would make a son co-regent with him while he was still alive. This practice would assure the king's favored son (usually the first-born of the favored wife) as being the next king. Some of the kings had more than one wife, and thus several sons from these wives. To prevent civil war and fighting among the family, he would appoint the selected son as co-regent, so when he died, the co-regent son would be in place to take over completely. An example of this is seen in the life of David. In 1 Kings 1 and 2, David in his dying days called Solomon and had the high priest, as well as the prophet Nathan, anoint him before the people. David, though he was still king, made his son Solomon co-regent. Coming to 2 Kings 24:8, the biblical record is giving the age of Jehoiachin as 18. The cross-reference of 8 years old in 2 Chronicles 36:9 could be his age when he was made the co-regent with his father.

(2). A second solution involves the king's mother. When Jehoiachin was 8 years old, his father, Jehoiakim, was deported (2 Chron. 36:6). The young king ruled jointly with his mother, the queen, until he too was led away captive. The reasoning behind this view is that women were not necessarily listed in the historical record. Even though the king was young and the queen was probably making decisions, the official record would name Jehoiachin as the king. The one difficulty with this view, however, is that the biblical narrative would more than likely be more specific about such a situation. The one place that names a queen is 2 Kings 11 with Athaliah. If there were a joint rulership between Jehoiachin and his mother, such a deviation from the norm would have been discussed in the scripture. Some writers point out 2 Kings 24:12 where the text describes the king going to Babylon with his mother. They say this implies she ruled jointly with him, but nothing in the text remotely suggests such a conclusion. The phrase his mother does not mean she ruled with him anymore than the servants, princes, and officers also listed in the deportation recorded in the verse. Another passage is Jeremiah 13:8, where it speaks of the coming deportation of the king and queen. It is argued the queen is Jehoiachins mother, but the text is not specific. This queen could be his wife for all we know.

(3). The third solution, and the one that appears to be more biblical, hinges on the phrase 8 years old from 2 Chronicles 36:9. The 8 years does not refer to the actual age of Jehoiachin but is a time marker pointing to an event: the first invasion of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians. In 605 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar invaded the Mediterranean countries including Judah. It was during this first invasion when Daniel and many others were taken to Babylon in what was to be the first of 3 deportations. The second was in 598-597 B.C. with the taking of Jehoiachins father Jehoiakim. The Babylonians left Jehoiachin in power as a sort of puppet regent, but only for 3 months (2 Chron. 36:9 gives the exact figure of 3 months, 10 days). Like his father, Jehoiachin rebelled and the Babylonians returned to have him removed. They took him back to Babylon, and left his brother Zedekiah as king. Jehoiachin's appointment as king was 8 years after Nebuchadnezzar came to power and invaded Judah. This is the reason 2 Chronicles 36:9 has 8 years old. Second Kings 24:12 affirms this solution where it states, and the king of Babylon took him (Jehoiachin) in the 8th year of his (Nebuchadnezzar) reign.

On some occasions the biblical writers will count chronological dates from significant events. We reckon chronology in similar ways in our modern world. For all Americans, the 11th day of the 9th month of the year 2001 will forever be a significant date. In fact our society speaks of a pre-9/11 world and a post 9/11 world. This is the case here with Jehoiachin. The writer of Chronicles is reckoning his kingly appointment and his eventual capture from the time Nebuchadnezzar came to rule Babylon. Ezekiel, for example, does this in his book. He reckons dates and years from the captivity of Judah, (Ez. 1:7, 33:21, 40:1). Another example is found in 2 Chronicles 16:1 where the 36th year spoken of Asa may refer to the number of years after the division of the kingdom in 930 B.C., rather than his actual years as king.

It can be concluded, then, with a little study, these so-called "copyist errors" can be explained biblically. Granted, copyists errors may very well exist, but how much richer is the Bible to our souls when we first endeavor to dig a little and let God show us biblical based solutions to problems like these.

Thanks for the explanation, its quite obvious that this error was from copying, but it took almost 2000 years to find it out and remove it? still its not removen in many versions. and its only 1, there are more thn this,
With this conclusion, those who say that Bible is word of God,are just either fooling others, or having total blind faith and closing their eyes on reality.
Its truth that Bible is nomore human word, and the words of Jesus is very less in Bible, whch is true, rest all is not word of God

[TrueReligion]

In light of the ones you posted, Are all these 50,000 errors all numbers?

Can this site of Debating Christinanity take 50,000 in 1 post? if you want full list, contact Awake Magazine, they may provide youall list

Oh that explains it. Jehovahs Witness & Watchtower. . Not even worth debating. I have read there stuff. Most are numbers issues. They are the only ones getting into heaven and I believe only 144,000 since the beginning of time. But I guess you have to go door to door in pairs to make the grade.

But for NON-Christian, J-Witness are christian, and the non-muslim wonr differenciate between all christians.

If we take your words, are you are implying that there are no errors beside numbers in Bible?

[TrueReligion]

Here it clearly shows how much lack of knowledge you have on this debate site.
Sects which dont believe in trinity are:
Mormons
Later Day Saints
lutheran
J-Witness
Orthodox have doubts still
Still many are there, you have to get more knowledge of this, ur statement is false

The mormons are also known as the church of later day saints and many consider them a cult, also they follow the book of mormon primarily, not the bible. We have mostly lutherans in this area and they do also hold to the triune god. JW are in general considered to be a bunch of nuts and you will have to be more specific on which variety of orthodoxy you are talking about.

So you called J-witness nuts? cause they dont suit you? but they are christians right?the question here is how many sects not believe in trinity, even 1 is not believing, my claim is right and you are wrong

Actually I have no idea if the JW believe in the trinity but it hardly matters since they are heretics to orthodoxy anyways.

Did his diciple wrote anything? Did Jesus checked himself what was writen?ofcourse its not authenticated by Jesus, so its rejected, its a rule of authenticity to be verified dont you know this simple rule?

Mohammed could not check what was written since he was illiterate, so is the whole of the koran to be rejected then? By your simple rule of authenticity you must reject the koran. Again how is this any different than the case of Jesus or Joseph Smith?

The oldest script is still being used today:) watmore you want, and the copy is stored in museum, you have to go their to verify,

Care to prove this claim, we have had members make the same claim for the bible and stated it was inerrant at the same time. Which museum is this original copy held so I can see for myself.

Sorry, no more discussion out ofpost here, talk only for Bible, which is rule and respect of debate.
Thanks

[TrueReligion]

Some more contradictions in Bible beside error, can;t be taken as copyist error.

Contradiction No. 1. Any serious reader making a comparison between chapters 45
and 46 of the book of Ezekiel, and chapters 28 and 29 of the book of Numbers will notice great contradiction in the doctrines mentioned therein.

Contradiction No. 2. A comparison between chapter 13 of the Book of Joshua and
chapter 2 of Deuteronomy concerning the inheritance of the children of Gad discloses a plain contradiction. One of the two statements has to be wrong.

Contradiction No. 3. I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

Contradiction No. 5. In 2 Samuel 24:9, it says: And Joab gave up the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. On the other hand, we find in I Chronicles 21:5: And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred and three score and ten thousand men that drew sword. The discrepancy in these statements amounts to a great contradiction in the number of people. There is a difference of three hundred thousand in the number of the Israelites while the difference in the number of the People of Judah is thirty thousand.

Any comments from friends who claim Bible as word of God?

[Wyvern]

Some more contradictions in Bible beside error, can;t be taken as copyist error.

Contradiction No. 1. Any serious reader making a comparison between chapters 45
and 46 of the book of Ezekiel, and chapters 28 and 29 of the book of Numbers will notice great contradiction in the doctrines mentioned therein.

Contradiction No. 2. A comparison between chapter 13 of the Book of Joshua and
chapter 2 of Deuteronomy concerning the inheritance of the children of Gad discloses a plain contradiction. One of the two statements has to be wrong.

Contradiction No. 3. I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

Contradiction No. 5. In 2 Samuel 24:9, it says: And Joab gave up the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. On the other hand, we find in I Chronicles 21:5: And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred and three score and ten thousand men that drew sword. The discrepancy in these statements amounts to a great contradiction in the number of people. There is a difference of three hundred thousand in the number of the Israelites while the difference in the number of the People of Judah is thirty thousand.

Any comments from friends who claim Bible as word of God?

It hardly matters since according to your simple rule of authentication ALL holy books with the possible exceptions of the book of mormon and dianetics must be rejected.

[TrueReligion]

Some more contradictions in Bible beside error, can;t be taken as copyist error.

Contradiction No. 1. Any serious reader making a comparison between chapters 45
and 46 of the book of Ezekiel, and chapters 28 and 29 of the book of Numbers will notice great contradiction in the doctrines mentioned therein.

Contradiction No. 2. A comparison between chapter 13 of the Book of Joshua and
chapter 2 of Deuteronomy concerning the inheritance of the children of Gad discloses a plain contradiction. One of the two statements has to be wrong.

Contradiction No. 3. I Chronicles chapters 7 and 8 concerning the descendants of
Benjamin makes a statement which contradicts chapter 46 of Genesis. The Judaeo-
Christian scholars have had to admit that the statement made by Chronicles is erroneous.

Contradiction No. 5. In 2 Samuel 24:9, it says: And Joab gave up the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. On the other hand, we find in I Chronicles 21:5: And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred and three score and ten thousand men that drew sword. The discrepancy in these statements amounts to a great contradiction in the number of people. There is a difference of three hundred thousand in the number of the Israelites while the difference in the number of the People of Judah is thirty thousand.

Any comments from friends who claim Bible as word of God?

It hardly matters since according to your simple rule of authentication ALL holy books with the possible exceptions of the book of mormon and dianetics must be rejected.

Its for christians who claim that Bible is word of God,and never change and without any errors,
As you are not a christian,soit does;nt matter to you,because you dont believe in God and in any religious scripture.

[Wyvern]

It hardly matters since according to your simple rule of authentication ALL holy books with the possible exceptions of the book of mormon and dianetics must be rejected.

Its for christians who claim that Bible is word of God,and never change and without any errors,
As you are not a christian,soit does;nt matter to you,because you dont believe in God and in any religious scripture.

Who has said that I am not christian? I stated that according to your simple rule of authentication nearly every religion would have to reject their holy books. That includes christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism and many others. In fact using your simple rule of authentication it would appear only mormonism and scientology would be the last two religions standing.

[TrueReligion]

It hardly matters since according to your simple rule of authentication ALL holy books with the possible exceptions of the book of mormon and dianetics must be rejected.

Its for christians who claim that Bible is word of God,and never change and without any errors,
As you are not a christian,soit does;nt matter to you,because you dont believe in God and in any religious scripture.

Who has said that I am not christian? I stated that according to your simple rule of authentication nearly every religion would have to reject their holy books. That includes christianity, islam, hinduism, buddhism and many others. In fact using your simple rule of authentication it would appear only mormonism and scientology would be the last two religions standing.

You are christian and you are rejecting your own Bible? and accepting it as a book full of errors and contradictions?