The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE!" Magazine dated 8 September, 1957, carried this startling headline " "50000 ERRORS IN THE BIBLE?" (See below for the reproduction).
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/AwakeArticle(1957).html
What the christians have to say in this, is still remaining or they are removed? if removed? how many remaining now?
Then how come it becomes word of God?
50,000 errors in Bible
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Mormonism?[/quote]T-mash wrote:Isn't Mohammed just 1 Muslim too?TrueReligion wrote:
But this is just 1 sect of christianity, its not revealed by God, its just a sect founded by 1 christian.
Founder: Joseph Smith (18 05-1844 killed)
1822 Angel Moroni came
Book of Mormon published 1830
But is Islam a sect of Christianity?:)
Yes and Mohammed married a kid.TrueReligion wrote: Smiths closest disciple, Brigam Young (1801-1877), took followers to Utah, and took 25 wives and promoted unrestricted polygamy, until the USA government threatened to revoke statehood. Mr. Young received revelation that polygamy was abrogated.
No relation of this with the post:) and that kid was adult already:) you dont call adult kids .improve english please
What is unusual in having sex to make someone pregnant?TrueReligion wrote: Adam actually God incarnated who came to Eden (in Missouri) with one of his heavenly wives, Eve. Had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus.
God physically a huge man along with mother-wife begat all human spirits
Any proof of God doing sexual relation with Mary? did Mary said that? bring proof not statements here:)
Yes and Islam has a ton of female imams right?TrueReligion wrote: Until 1978 blacks could not enter the priesthood (age 14 males enter Aaronic priesthood and at age 20 they enter the higher o ffice o f Melchezdec), thus all 17 temples of the sect were o ff-limits to blacks.
Then First President, Spencer Kimball got revelation to include blacks
Why, making a female imam seems racism to you? how many female Pope's we have?
Your claim would be more good if you say that a non-arab is not allowed to enter arab's masjid or worshiping place, which shows racism, can you find any example in Islam like this?
TrueReligion wrote:If you call book of Mormons as a revealed book, what is their religion and faith?
So its not christianity, right? so who they believe is their God? Mormon? 1st time I heard this God
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You can read Quran, as its not changed since its revealed 1400 years ago, and free of errors and contradictions.handofnergal wrote:Great question! As it turns out there are many holy texts, all of them have flaws, maybe you should ask your Jeebus why he's such a crappy writerTrueReligion wrote: Why is there only 1 Bible which is sent by God?
why should I respect a religion that's founded on falsehoods, mistranslated documents, and contradicting teachings? Why should I worship a God who's teachings are about as clear as mud? He sucks at giving instructions.TrueReligion wrote:God didn't made mistake , and didn't contradict what God gave to Jesus, its Christians who changed the book, and contradictions came from that.
and another and another and another and another...for an almighty being he sure can't understand the concept of perfection, and his revisions are just as repulsive as his originalsTrueReligion wrote: Because of this, God send another revelation,
show me a holy text that's free of errors and I will lick my own buttholeTrueReligion wrote:free from contradictions and errors,
once again, prove it and I'll stick me head up my own buttTrueReligion wrote:and is same as it was revealed till today.
I agree with you, but I still have no idea what the hell your point was.TrueReligion wrote: But main point is,that the fundamentalist Christians still persist on calling Bible as a whole word of God, without any error and addition of human mind,
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I'm glad that you mentioned the Quran, because it says the world is flat and that man was made from clay
nice try
here's a webpage with Quran errors
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
nice try
here's a webpage with Quran errors
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
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Islam, like Mormonism is an Abrahamic religion yes. Mormons claim to be a separate religion too instead of a "sect of Christianity" as far as I am aware.TrueReligion wrote: But is Islam a sect of Christianity?:)
The relation was in the fact that you tried discrediting Mormonism because of a leader that tried to promoted polygamy. Mohammed married a kid, sorry I mean he married a 9 year old adult, which would mean the same thing.TrueReligion wrote: No relation of this with the post:) and that kid was adult already:) you dont call adult kids .improve english please
Do I have to educate you in how children are born? Do you still believe that a stork brings kids? He made her pregnant of his son = he had sex with her.TrueReligion wrote: Any proof of God doing sexual relation with Mary? did Mary said that? bring proof not statements here:)
Yes and Islam has a ton of female imams right?TrueReligion wrote: Until 1978 blacks could not enter the priesthood (age 14 males enter Aaronic priesthood and at age 20 they enter the higher o ffice o f Melchezdec), thus all 17 temples of the sect were o ff-limits to blacks.
Then First President, Spencer Kimball got revelation to include blacks
Why, making a female imam seems racism to you? how many female Pope's we have?
Your claim would be more good if you say that a non-arab is not allowed to enter arab's masjid or worshiping place, which shows racism, can you find any example in Islam like this?[/quote]
What is the difference between not allowing black people or not allowing women? Are you suggesting that not allowing black people is a bad thing, but not allowing women is perfectly fine?
Err...TrueReligion wrote: So its not christianity, right? so who they believe is their God? Mormon? 1st time I heard this God
So you need to be a Christian to believe in their god? Who do you believe in then? That's right, Abraham's God. Just like Christians and Mormons. Christians = Jesus + God, Mormonism = God + Jesus + Joseph, Islam = God + Mohammed.
Same thing...
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again, the contradictions mentioned in this site are already answered,.handofnergal wrote:I'm glad that you mentioned the Quran, because it says the world is flat and that man was made from clay![]()
HEHE, nice try buddy, but may I know the verse where you got this information because as per I know and studied Quran, it said that earth is geo-spherical in shape.
Earth is geospherical in shape
The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 79, Verse 30
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
Thus the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony
nice try
here's a webpage with Quran errors
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
For example, let me tell 1 contradiction which this site say about Quran.
The site say that ->
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Answer-> Its not a contradiction, explanation are given below
If three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?
If two physicists now came along and one said "bread is made from atoms" and the other said "bread is made from molecules," would this be an even further "contradiction"?
The blood of all living creatures is composed of 55 percent plasma, which in turn is composed of more than 90 percent water. As opposed to 1400 centuries ago when the Qur'an was first revealed by God, today it is a well known fact that the major "ingredient" in the human body is water (a matter emphasized ONLY in the Qur'an and not in the Bible).
It is further very well known that mankind is made from "dust" (when you place his body in the grave and leave it for a number of years, and the water evaporates, what form does his body revert to? Further, what is "clay"? Is it not a special form of water and dust?
It is equally obvious that if God created everything then there must have been a time when everything we see was "nothing," including humans.
Care to bring any more contradiction?
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What is the difference between not allowing black people or not allowing women? Are you suggesting that not allowing black people is a bad thing, but not allowing women is perfectly fine?T-mash wrote:Islam, like Mormonism is an Abrahamic religion yes. Mormons claim to be a separate religion too instead of a "sect of Christianity" as far as I am aware.TrueReligion wrote: But is Islam a sect of Christianity?:)
Sorry, your information is truly wrong, Abrahamic religions are divided in 3, Judaism, Christianity and Islam,
Mormons are part of christianity, as I mentioned in their history in my post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism
The relation was in the fact that you tried discrediting Mormonism because of a leader that tried to promoted polygamy. Mohammed married a kid, sorry I mean he married a 9 year old adult, which would mean the same thing.TrueReligion wrote: No relation of this with the post:) and that kid was adult already:) you dont call adult kids .improve english please
It was a history and account for Mormons, polygamy is never disallowed by religion. dont see any point of yours brining Muhammad married with Aisha here:)
Do I have to educate you in how children are born? Do you still believe that a stork brings kids? He made her pregnant of his son = he had sex with her.TrueReligion wrote: Any proof of God doing sexual relation with Mary? did Mary said that? bring proof not statements here:)
Thats what im asking, is it writen in Bible that God came and had sex with Mary? which verse say that?
If its like this, why in Bible it say that virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus?
Yes and Islam has a ton of female imams right?TrueReligion wrote: Until 1978 blacks could not enter the priesthood (age 14 males enter Aaronic priesthood and at age 20 they enter the higher o ffice o f Melchezdec), thus all 17 temples of the sect were o ff-limits to blacks.
Then First President, Spencer Kimball got revelation to include blacks
Why, making a female imam seems racism to you? how many female Pope's we have?
Your claim would be more good if you say that a non-arab is not allowed to enter arab's masjid or worshiping place, which shows racism, can you find any example in Islam like this?
You think that in Islam females are not allowed in praying place ? get your knowledge T-M, females are allowed always in Masjids(praying place).
But not allowing blacks in praying place of white is for sure discrimination and racism.
Do you feel good if you wont be allowed to enter in public place coz of your color?
Err...TrueReligion wrote: So its not christianity, right? so who they believe is their God? Mormon? 1st time I heard this God
So you need to be a Christian to believe in their god? Who do you believe in then? That's right, Abraham's God. Just like Christians and Mormons. Christians = Jesus + God, Mormonism = God + Jesus + Joseph, Islam = God + Mohammed.
Same thing...[/quote]
Already posted, If Mormons belief in Jesus as God or Son of God, it means they are one of christian sect.
In Philipines, they have 1 sect as "Iglesio Ne Christo", which say that 1 guy named Manalo is chosen as prophet by Jesus.
So on the basis of this, do you make it as another religion?
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Christianity itself is not a religion, but a governing name for the followers of Christ. Mormons follow Jesus Christ, they are Christians. Muslims do not follow Christ, they are not Christians.They follow Mohammed, they are Mohammedans. Mohammedanism like Christianity are religions based on the god from the OT (Judaism), just like Mormonism is too. Of course Islam isn't part of Christianity because they deliberately opted out of that term. They do however share the same belief (nearly) and Jesus is even considered a prophet by Muslims.TrueReligion wrote: Sorry, your information is truly wrong, Abrahamic religions are divided in 3, Judaism, Christianity and Islam,
Mormons are part of christianity, as I mentioned in their history in my post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism
In that case I apologise, I thought that you brought it up as an argument against Mormonism. I didn't notice it was just a part of the text you copied.TrueReligion wrote: It was a history and account for Mormons, polygamy is never disallowed by religion. dont see any point of yours brining Muhammad married with Aisha here:)[/color][/b]
God gave Mary a child = he had sex with her. Apart from animals that can make themselves pregnant (humans aren't one) we have yet to find another way to get pregnant than sperm. If God is the father, that means his DNA is in Jesus, which means his sperm was in Mary, which means they had sex (or she was inseminated with his sperm). Just because it doesn't say that, doesn't mean you can't think for yourself. It also doesn't mean that it's an illogical belief to have.TrueReligion wrote: Thats what im asking, is it writen in Bible that God came and had sex with Mary? which verse say that?
If its like this, why in Bible it say that virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus?
Are women allowed to be Imams?TrueReligion wrote: You think that in Islam females are not allowed in praying place ? get your knowledge T-M, females are allowed always in Masjids(praying place).
But not allowing blacks in praying place of white is for sure discrimination and racism.
Do you feel good if you wont be allowed to enter in public place coz of your color?
TrueReligion wrote: Already posted, If Mormons belief in Jesus as God or Son of God, it means they are one of christian sect.
In Philipines, they have 1 sect as "Iglesio Ne Christo", which say that 1 guy named Manalo is chosen as prophet by Jesus.
So on the basis of this, do you make it as another religion?
Answered above.
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Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable natural world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?
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Just this beautiful, complex, wonderfully unfathomable natural world?
How does it so fail to hold our attention
That we have to diminish it with the invention
Of cheap, man-made Myths and Monsters?
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You said Christianity is not a religion, and Mormons follows Jesus as God, son of God, means they share the faith of Christianity.T-mash wrote:Christianity itself is not a religion, but a governing name for the followers of Christ. Mormons follow Jesus Christ, they are Christians. Muslims do not follow Christ, they are not Christians.They follow Mohammed, they are Mohammedans. Mohammedanism like Christianity are religions based on the god from the OT (Judaism), just like Mormonism is too. Of course Islam isn't part of Christianity because they deliberately opted out of that term. They do however share the same belief (nearly) and Jesus is even considered a prophet by Muslims.TrueReligion wrote: Sorry, your information is truly wrong, Abrahamic religions are divided in 3, Judaism, Christianity and Islam,
Mormons are part of christianity, as I mentioned in their history in my post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism
So you mean Christianity is not a religion, but Mormonism is a religion, even being part of Christainty and belief on Jesus as God:) wat kind of logic you are giving T-M?
Who said muslims dont follow Christ? can you explain please what are the teachings of Christ? & what are the teachings of Muhammad?:)
Who is the God of Jews? is Judaism word found in the holy boks of Jews?:) or even Jew word found in the holy books of Jews?
In that case I apologise, I thought that you brought it up as an argument against Mormonism. I didn't notice it was just a part of the text you copied.TrueReligion wrote: It was a history and account for Mormons, polygamy is never disallowed by religion. dont see any point of yours brining Muhammad married with Aisha here:)[/color][/b]
God gave Mary a child = he had sex with her. Apart from animals that can make themselves pregnant (humans aren't one) we have yet to find another way to get pregnant than sperm. If God is the father, that means his DNA is in Jesus, which means his sperm was in Mary, which means they had sex (or she was inseminated with his sperm). Just because it doesn't say that, doesn't mean you can't think for yourself. It also doesn't mean that it's an illogical belief to have.TrueReligion wrote: Thats what im asking, is it writen in Bible that God came and had sex with Mary? which verse say that?
If its like this, why in Bible it say that virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus?
Having sex means physical touch and relation, let me make in clear words for you to understand, did God have physical touch and relation with Mary? do you have evidence of this from Bible?
Jesus geneology is given in Bible in 2 accounts, and both is different, 1 is Mathew , other is Luke, and nowhere it reach till God, can u explain now?
God created Adam, so with whom God made love so Adam was born?
Are women allowed to be Imams?TrueReligion wrote: You think that in Islam females are not allowed in praying place ? get your knowledge T-M, females are allowed always in Masjids(praying place).
But not allowing blacks in praying place of white is for sure discrimination and racism.
Do you feel good if you wont be allowed to enter in public place coz of your color?
do you know wat exactly racism means? Femals can be Imam for females. can a female carry same load as arnold schwarzenegger carry? ofcourse in some capabilities females are not able to perform same as men.
But still it didnt justify why Blacks were not allowed in church of white, supposedly as per christians, church is praying place for God. Are you justifying the act of Mormons here? means you believe in racism?
TrueReligion wrote: Already posted, If Mormons belief in Jesus as God or Son of God, it means they are one of christian sect.
In Philipines, they have 1 sect as "Iglesio Ne Christo", which say that 1 guy named Manalo is chosen as prophet by Jesus.
So on the basis of this, do you make it as another religion?
Answered above.
Previously you said that Mormonism is a religion. wats your logic in this?.
It means the father is not a human and man, but son is human and man:)
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Why would anyone claiming to be inspired by any kind of all-powerful being need to contradict himself so much?TrueReligion wrote:again, the contradictions mentioned in this site are already answered,.handofnergal wrote:I'm glad that you mentioned the Quran, because it says the world is flat and that man was made from clay![]()
HEHE, nice try buddy, but may I know the verse where you got this information because as per I know and studied Quran, it said that earth is geo-spherical in shape.
Earth is geospherical in shape
The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 79, Verse 30
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
Thus the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony
nice try
here's a webpage with Quran errors
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
For example, let me tell 1 contradiction which this site say about Quran.
The site say that ->
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Answer-> Its not a contradiction, explanation are given below
If three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?
If two physicists now came along and one said "bread is made from atoms" and the other said "bread is made from molecules," would this be an even further "contradiction"?
The blood of all living creatures is composed of 55 percent plasma, which in turn is composed of more than 90 percent water. As opposed to 1400 centuries ago when the Qur'an was first revealed by God, today it is a well known fact that the major "ingredient" in the human body is water (a matter emphasized ONLY in the Qur'an and not in the Bible).
It is further very well known that mankind is made from "dust" (when you place his body in the grave and leave it for a number of years, and the water evaporates, what form does his body revert to? Further, what is "clay"? Is it not a special form of water and dust?
It is equally obvious that if God created everything then there must have been a time when everything we see was "nothing," including humans.
Care to bring any more contradiction?
why didn't any of the prophets give humanity a working germ theory or something useful, like medicines, a pulley, or geometry?
prophets always give us stupid stuff like holy texts that are confusing and repulsive and brainwash people with cognitive dissonance.
You know very well why the holy texts have contradictions but are too chicken to say why...the scribes didn't have spellcheck or editors, and God is an imaginary being.
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Its debate site, where statements dont work, what all you said, is your statements without proof and evidence, bring proof of something lie or contradiction in book, and bring your proof as well if universe came in existence by itself and man was created by chance.handofnergal wrote:Why would anyone claiming to be inspired by any kind of all-powerful being need to contradict himself so much?TrueReligion wrote:again, the contradictions mentioned in this site are already answered,.handofnergal wrote:I'm glad that you mentioned the Quran, because it says the world is flat and that man was made from clay![]()
HEHE, nice try buddy, but may I know the verse where you got this information because as per I know and studied Quran, it said that earth is geo-spherical in shape.
Earth is geospherical in shape
The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 79, Verse 30
The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.
Thus the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony
nice try
here's a webpage with Quran errors
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
For example, let me tell 1 contradiction which this site say about Quran.
The site say that ->
What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
Answer-> Its not a contradiction, explanation are given below
If three bakers were to come visit the author of this list and one were to say: "Bread is made from flour," the next were to say "bread is made from dough" and the third were to say: "Bread is made from wheat," if he would consider this a "contradiction" too?
If two physicists now came along and one said "bread is made from atoms" and the other said "bread is made from molecules," would this be an even further "contradiction"?
The blood of all living creatures is composed of 55 percent plasma, which in turn is composed of more than 90 percent water. As opposed to 1400 centuries ago when the Qur'an was first revealed by God, today it is a well known fact that the major "ingredient" in the human body is water (a matter emphasized ONLY in the Qur'an and not in the Bible).
It is further very well known that mankind is made from "dust" (when you place his body in the grave and leave it for a number of years, and the water evaporates, what form does his body revert to? Further, what is "clay"? Is it not a special form of water and dust?
It is equally obvious that if God created everything then there must have been a time when everything we see was "nothing," including humans.
Care to bring any more contradiction?
why didn't any of the prophets give humanity a working germ theory or something useful, like medicines, a pulley, or geometry?
prophets always give us stupid stuff like holy texts that are confusing and repulsive and brainwash people with cognitive dissonance.
You know very well why the holy texts have contradictions but are too chicken to say why...the scribes didn't have spellcheck or editors, and God is an imaginary being.

