If the fossil record is wrong and the world is 6000yrs old

thatoneguy · Post by **thatoneguy** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:01 am

I've seen a lot of creationists arguing that radiometric dating is wrong for one reason or another, and that the fossil record is actually just a byproduct of a global flood or some such. Well, that's all dandy, but if the Earth is less than 6000 years old, then why are able to see stars that are light years away?

Do you deny the speed of light?

Perhaps you believe that these stars are actually much closer than they appear, and we measured wrong?

Or were they created millions (or in some cases billions) of years ago, well before the Earth?

Does light somehow reach us faster when the source is farther away?

I could come up with these hypotheses all day, but quite frankly there isn't a single reason to assume any of them. If someone wants to explain this part of the young Earth theory to me I think I've done plenty to give you some ideas to brainstorm with.

So, once again, given a model of a universe that is approximately 6000 years of age, how do you explain the observation of distant stars?

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:08 pm

joeyknuccione wrote:
joeyknuccione wrote:urate after chap 12 of Genesis up until the Bible talks about future events
Would that include tales of a god visiting the planet in the form of a human being, walking on water, turning water into wine, and rising up and moving about after being dead for three days?

I think one can reasonably assume superimposed might realize he can't support the above biblical claims, and so he decided to just ignore my question.

Common deal among some of the Christians on this site.[/quote]

Why would there be an xception to this rule?
The claims for the supernatural can not be verified. For that matter , much of the history before 1st Kings can not be verified

thatoneguy · Post by **thatoneguy** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:04 am

goat wrote:
Why would there be an xception to this rule?

Haha. I see what you did there. Would it be fair to say that the theist on this site sort of rotate in and out, starting or commenting in a few threads, getting trounced, then giving up?

And as a side note, I'm still not seeing any answers to my OP. xcept's shouldn't count since he "admitted" it wasn't a real attempt to answer the question, and superimposed took back his statements (in regard to my question).

If no one can answer my question, does that mean I won this debate? It seems these creationists can only argue when they change the subject....

superimposed · Post by **superimposed** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:29 am

Actually directly answering your question is very simple.

You asked to be explained the part of the YEC view or model, which would merely be the same view as Genesis.

In heaven there are God, Christ, the
Holy spirit and the angelic hosts. No Santa, no aliens, no other rudimentary life forms.

Jesus needs one bride, that is the church (meaning those who seek after Him and love Him).

We are the only creation here upon earth created within the 6 literal days of creation, after that all creation stopped nothing more was created. God created light on the first day this light was all encompassing and everywhere at once, because Adam and Eve saw the signs in the stars for the coming Christ into the world. Which is why Eve thought Cain was the great hope, but he was a murderer. Which is also why all the prophets and scribes waited for the Christ. So Light had to be visible in all the universe from the beginning. Just as adam and eve were adults and all the trees were fruit bearing. Immediately. The animals were all adult when Adam named them on the 6th day.

All the stars in the sky were placed by God on the 4th day. As far as science still pondering the mysteries of the universe, this is wonderful.

You didn't ask to scientifically explain any of this, so there is the answer to your post.

JoeyKnothead · Post by **JoeyKnothead** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:03 pm

superimposed wrote: You didn't ask to scientifically explain any of this, so there is the answer to your post.

LOL

Asking questions in a subforum, SCIENCE & Religion, is pretty much asking for scientific explanations.

Otherwise I have no objection to the rest of a post that admits it's not based on scientific understanding, but relies on ancient tales that can be so easily dismissed as non-scientific.

thatoneguy · Post by **thatoneguy** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:44 pm

superimposed wrote:
You didn't ask to scientifically explain any of this, so there is the answer to your post.

First of all, this is the science and religion subforum, so you can safely assume I want science. Second, you didn't even answer my question:

So, once again, given a model of a universe that is approximately 6000 years of age, how do you explain the observation of distant stars?

Ok, so the stars were made 6000 years ago. If they are light years away, how is it that we see them?

JBlack · Post by **JBlack** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:21 pm

superimposed wrote:God created light on the first day this light was all encompassing and everywhere at once

So Light had to be visible in all the universe from the beginning.

So you deny the scientific fact that light travels?
Even we assume Genesis to be true, how do you know that this light was all encompassing and everywhere at once?

superimposed wrote:Adam and Eve saw the signs in the stars for the coming Christ into the world.

Where in Genesis does it even say this?

superimposed wrote:Which is why Eve thought Cain was the great hope

Where in Genesis does it even say this?