Does God exist?

[McCulloch]

By what arguments can a believer in the one true god demonstrate to an unbeliever that God does exist?

What do you mean when you use the word God?

[Abraxas]

I find it extremely disappointing that after the effort I put into my post attempting to engage you in discussion that your entire reply amounted to "I have answers but you're not worth talking to". This being a debate forum, I thought the point might be to enjoy the debate, to learn alternate points of view, to understand your own point of view better, or even to convince parties not present in the debate to your way of thinking even if you cannot convince the person you debate. As none of these things seem to be the result you are looking for, may I ask what is?
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Please, dont take it wrong, I didnt mean dat way, All what I mean is that you give long arguments,and I can also give reply to those arguments, in return it will continue, and no one will be convinced of other, so just to make it short,lets start with small question 1st. and we will continue with those arguments as well ok?

No, but why must the point be to convince the other? Perhaps you or I will convince someone else reading this forum. Perhaps debating me will offer you some new understanding of your own faith or even a new understanding of my beliefs and those like me. Debate isn't always about swaying the other person to your point of view, in fact on the internet it almost never is. That doesn't mean it is pointless or that no good can come of it.

The reason I came here, to this forum, wasn't because I was expecting to have my mind changed. I came here for three main reasons. Firstly, this forum takes polite, ordered debate seriously as opposed to many forums that degenerate into mudslinging and flame throwing the moment religion is mentioned. Second, I enjoy debate a great deal. For me it is a sport of sort, a kind of mental fencing match or chess game. Third, the quality of debaters here is exceptionally high. I expect to be challenged, to be introduced to new ideas and new arguments and powerful minds that oppose my world view. I feel that this place is a place I can learn from, learn to understand my own views better, learn to understand the ideologies of others better, and the only way I can do any of that is to participate in conversations with others.

Maybe you feel the same way, maybe not, but all the same, at least as far as I am concerned there are a myriad of reasons to do what I do beyond merely proving to the other guy I am right and they are wrong.

To answer your question, yes, so long as it takes root in an area with suitable climate and nutrients and is not disturbed by other activity.

So you mean, that I can stand in a barren land, with nothing grown there, and keep giving water, and after some time apple tree will pop-up?

If the soil has suitable nutrients, the temperature remains tolerable, and nothing comes along and eats/drowns/flattens/etc. the plant, yes, that is one way. However, trees grow on their own unattended too. Just like I could manually polish a rock to a smooth finish if I wanted a smooth stone, but by the same token a river will do the same thing without intelligent intervention.

[FinalEnigma]

a two line reply dismissing all my responses to your arguments on the grounds that it wouldn't be productive to debate them is not debate. This is a debate forum. if you make assertions, be prepared to defend them.

If you read incase what I stated, is that I can answer of what you said, but it will be of no use, because you wont accept it, so rather than wasting time for that,lets come to main point, and shorter one, so it will be easy for you

Further, where man came from is irrelevant to this thread, and therefore off topic. please remain on topic.

However, for the amusement value, I will respond to your challenge, with the caveat that I still await your reply to mine.

Read the entire post, this is question which was asked since the begining of this post, and till now no 1 answered this.

How human being came into being? just give single 1 line answer.,

They evolved.

From where? tree?[/quote]

I'm sorry, but this is off topic. Please remain within the scope of the thread

This is a thread on whether or not God exists. You made several arguments to that effect. I refuted them. You now claim that I will not accept your arguments, and begin arguing about another subject entirely. You are right. I do not accept the arguments you have made - they are invalid, and I have shown why. I cannot accept your defense of your arguments, because you refuse to make one.

I am sorry, but if you refuse to debate the arguments for the existence of God, then please leave the thread to the people who wish to be on topic.

If you do not reply with regards to the debate on this existence of God, then you obviously have no argument and have failed.

[TrueReligion]

This is a thread on whether or not God exists. You made several arguments to that effect. I refuted them. You now claim that I will not accept your arguments, and begin arguing about another subject entirely. You are right. I do not accept the arguments you have made - they are invalid, and I have shown why. I cannot accept your defense of your arguments, because you refuse to make one.

I am sorry, but if you refuse to debate the arguments for the existence of God, then please leave the thread to the people who wish to be on topic.

If you do not reply with regards to the debate on this existence of God, then you obviously have no argument and have failed.

Yeah, The post was created on my request, and I'am proving it here as well, but you have to reply as well for the question, so we can reach concusion as wel.

How Human came into being, you said "They Evolved", how they evolved? by themselve or by chance?

[McCulloch]

How Human came into being, you said "They Evolved", how they evolved? by themselve or by chance?

Do you understand how evolution works? Evolution is the result of two separate processes, one is random variations that happen from generation to generation, the other is selection processes that favor certain variations over others. When someone says that something evolved, you can assume that they mean this combination of chance and selection over many multiple generations.

[TrueReligion]

How Human came into being, you said "They Evolved", how they evolved? by themselve or by chance?

Do you understand how evolution works? Evolution is the result of two separate processes, one is random variations that happen from generation to generation, the other is selection processes that favor certain variations over others. When someone says that something evolved, you can assume that they mean this combination of chance and selection over many multiple generations.

I do understand what this means, but your both meanings answered is this.

1st-> generation through generation,-> this is not an answer, as from 1 generation to another, we need to know which 1 is the 1st generation, and how it came, so you are stuck in loop here.

2nd-> assume that they mean this combination of chance and selection over many multiple generations -> Does this means that humans came by chance? and you are relying your knowledge on assumptions? is science is based on assumption or proven?

[FinalEnigma]

This is a thread on whether or not God exists. You made several arguments to that effect. I refuted them. You now claim that I will not accept your arguments, and begin arguing about another subject entirely. You are right. I do not accept the arguments you have made - they are invalid, and I have shown why. I cannot accept your defense of your arguments, because you refuse to make one.

I am sorry, but if you refuse to debate the arguments for the existence of God, then please leave the thread to the people who wish to be on topic.

If you do not reply with regards to the debate on this existence of God, then you obviously have no argument and have failed.

Yeah, The post was created on my request, and I'am proving it here as well, but you have to reply as well for the question, so we can reach concusion as wel.

How Human came into being, you said "They Evolved", how they evolved? by themselve or by chance?

This is a false dichotomy and another fallacy. Please research common logical fallacies before debating.
Please address my points from post 81, or admit that the entirety of your post 79 is indefensible, because it is wrong.
If you do not reply to the points in post 81, then you must admit that your arguments failed.

[TrueReligion]

This is a thread on whether or not God exists. You made several arguments to that effect. I refuted them. You now claim that I will not accept your arguments, and begin arguing about another subject entirely. You are right. I do not accept the arguments you have made - they are invalid, and I have shown why. I cannot accept your defense of your arguments, because you refuse to make one.

I am sorry, but if you refuse to debate the arguments for the existence of God, then please leave the thread to the people who wish to be on topic.

If you do not reply with regards to the debate on this existence of God, then you obviously have no argument and have failed.

Yeah, The post was created on my request, and I'am proving it here as well, but you have to reply as well for the question, so we can reach concusion as wel.

How Human came into being, you said "They Evolved", how they evolved? by themselve or by chance?

This is a false dichotomy and another fallacy. Please research common logical fallacies before debating.
Please address my points from post 81, or admit that the entirety of your post 79 is indefensible, because it is wrong.
If you do not reply to the points in post 81, then you must admit that your arguments failed.

Telling me to doresearch means u dnt knw the answer
For sure we will go to post\79. but 1st give me answers to my questions, as I asked 1st the questions.
Failing to answer means you dont have any justification n reason to deny God's existence

[McCulloch]

1st-> generation through generation,-> this is not an answer, as from 1 generation to another, we need to know which 1 is the 1st generation, and how it came, so you are stuck in loop here.

Evolution answers how we got a diversity of life forms, each adapted to its environment from previous life forms. It does not even address the question of the origin of life itself. That is still an unknown. We do not know how life started. There are two approaches to this admitted ignorance. Firstly, we can seek to find out what we can and try to piece together the evidence. Or we could say that because we don't know how it happened, it must have been from a supernatural cause. The first option is called science. The second is religion.

2nd-> assume that they mean this combination of chance and selection over many multiple generations -> Does this means that humans came by chance? and you are relying your knowledge on assumptions? is science is based on assumption or proven?

Yes, random chance had a part in the process. But then random chance affects air pressure and other well understood processes. I am relying on the research of generations of experts. Science is not based on assumption but neither is it entirely proven. All scientific truths are held provisionally, they are the best estimate we currently have for the way things work, which will be revised when better research is done and more evidence is found.

[FinalEnigma]

This is a thread on whether or not God exists. You made several arguments to that effect. I refuted them. You now claim that I will not accept your arguments, and begin arguing about another subject entirely. You are right. I do not accept the arguments you have made - they are invalid, and I have shown why. I cannot accept your defense of your arguments, because you refuse to make one.

I am sorry, but if you refuse to debate the arguments for the existence of God, then please leave the thread to the people who wish to be on topic.

If you do not reply with regards to the debate on this existence of God, then you obviously have no argument and have failed.

Yeah, The post was created on my request, and I'am proving it here as well, but you have to reply as well for the question, so we can reach concusion as wel.

How Human came into being, you said "They Evolved", how they evolved? by themselve or by chance?

This is a false dichotomy and another fallacy. Please research common logical fallacies before debating.
Please address my points from post 81, or admit that the entirety of your post 79 is indefensible, because it is wrong.
If you do not reply to the points in post 81, then you must admit that your arguments failed.

Telling me to doresearch means u dnt knw the answer
For sure we will go to post\79. but 1st give me answers to my questions, as I asked 1st the questions.
Failing to answer means you dont have any justification n reason to deny God's existence

Actually, I made the challenge first, since the first thing I did in this thread was to challenge your statements, and you only asked me about evolution a page or so later.

Also, I will not answer a question that is a false dichotomy. it only displays your lack of knowledge of the subject matter to phrase a question that way. any answer would be incorrect. rephrase your question so that it no longer is a false dichotomy, and I will answer it - even though it's still off topic.

[TrueReligion]

Evolution answers how we got a diversity of life forms, each adapted to its environment from previous life forms. It does not even address the question of the origin of life itself. That is still an unknown. We do not know how life started. There are two approaches to this admitted ignorance. Firstly, we can seek to find out what we can and try to piece together the evidence. Or we could say that because we don't know how it happened, it must have been from a supernatural cause. The first option is called science. The second is religion.

Ok, since 1st option may led us to assumption, and ofcourse we can;t go back to history to check, we have to believe in 2nd option, right?

Yes, random chance had a part in the process. But then random chance affects air pressure and other well understood processes. I am relying on the research of generations of experts. Science is not based on assumption but neither is it entirely proven. All scientific truths are held provisionally, they are the best estimate we currently have for the way things work, which will be revised when better research is done and more evidence is found.

So it means the conclusion, as there is no evidence till now, all is based on assumption, ofcourse not all science, the part of begining of life in world.

But religion is giving you evidence, Question here arise, that which religion is giving the best evidence,that we need to find out, as all are in front of you,

I hope im quite clear with my remarks and they are not hurting as well to you or any1 now,