Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:20 pm

In another thread:

Risky wrote:
Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

TrueReligion · Post by **TrueReligion** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:18 pm

Wyvern wrote:
There is no pain, its your statement that sunshine means giving light, and you made it equal to shoe-shine, which means shoe is giving light as per your logic. so explain your logic or take back your words.
Oh yes there is a great deal of mental pain your post has given me, and this one confirms you do not understand the mistakes you are making. You can not debate with someone if one party is not capable of communicating in the language being used. I'll give you a hint though, this is not a logic argument, you have to understand the words for it to make sense.

We are not her for making each other understand language, as we can communicate easily with each other, so please be on topic, and disuss in a positive manner.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:35 pm

TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
There is no pain, its your statement that sunshine means giving light, and you made it equal to shoe-shine, which means shoe is giving light as per your logic. so explain your logic or take back your words.
Oh yes there is a great deal of mental pain your post has given me, and this one confirms you do not understand the mistakes you are making. You can not debate with someone if one party is not capable of communicating in the language being used. I'll give you a hint though, this is not a logic argument, you have to understand the words for it to make sense.
We are not her for making each other understand language, as we can communicate easily with each other, so please be on topic, and disuss in a positive manner.

You have demonstrated clearly that you can not communicate easily, if you could that post would not exist. If you would go through each word with a dictionary at hand you would see your mistakes, at least some of them. Using the built in spellchecker would also help your posts immensely, but of course to use one you have to know the words you are meaning to use.

TrueReligion · Post by **TrueReligion** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:37 pm

Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
There is no pain, its your statement that sunshine means giving light, and you made it equal to shoe-shine, which means shoe is giving light as per your logic. so explain your logic or take back your words.
Oh yes there is a great deal of mental pain your post has given me, and this one confirms you do not understand the mistakes you are making. You can not debate with someone if one party is not capable of communicating in the language being used. I'll give you a hint though, this is not a logic argument, you have to understand the words for it to make sense.
We are not her for making each other understand language, as we can communicate easily with each other, so please be on topic, and disuss in a positive manner.
You have demonstrated clearly that you can not communicate easily, if you could that post would not exist. If you would go through each word with a dictionary at hand you would see your mistakes, at least some of them. Using the built in spellchecker would also help your posts immensely, but of course to use one you have to know the words you are meaning to use.

Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:43 pm

Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here

I just hope you can take my constructive criticism to heart.

TrueReligion · Post by **TrueReligion** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:58 pm

Wyvern wrote:
Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here
I just hope you can take my constructive criticism to heart.

Be specific and neutral on post, that I would take positive from you for sure

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:35 pm

TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here
I just hope you can take my constructive criticism to heart.
Be specific and neutral on post, that I would take positive from you for sure

I have been just you don't understand that being neutral does not mean agreeing with whatever you say.

TrueReligion · Post by **TrueReligion** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:13 pm

Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here
I just hope you can take my constructive criticism to heart.
Be specific and neutral on post, that I would take positive from you for sure
I have been just you don't understand that being neutral does not mean agreeing with whatever you say.

Ive been neutral here, unlike you who always attack and give personal remarks to others, which shows the bad behaviour of debate, anyway I;am not here to argue you, Im here to present truth and to do debate in a good and civilized manner. If you want in this way, I will be happy to discuss with you always.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:41 pm

TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here
I just hope you can take my constructive criticism to heart.
Be specific and neutral on post, that I would take positive from you for sure
I have been just you don't understand that being neutral does not mean agreeing with whatever you say.
Ive been neutral here, unlike you who always attack and give personal remarks to others, which shows the bad behaviour of debate, anyway I;am not here to argue you, Im here to present truth and to do debate in a good and civilized manner. If you want in this way, I will be happy to discuss with you always.

Okay if you want truth here it is, the sun shines the moon does not and shoes have nothing to do with either. The only kind of moonshine there is is the kind you drink. When you give a shoe shine you are polishing your shoes. Not understanding english idioms is understandable but to base an argument on one is unforgivable.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:50 pm

Ive been neutral here, unlike you who always attack and give personal remarks to others, which shows the bad behaviour of debate, anyway I;am not here to argue you, Im here to present truth and to do debate in a good and civilized manner. If you want in this way, I will be happy to discuss with you always.

You are not neutral, you have been arguing in favor of your claim the entire time. If you have a bias in the matter being discussed you can not be neutral.

TrueReligion · Post by **TrueReligion** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:36 am

Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Sorry, what you say is not related to post, I canlt break the rules here, and can't make personal statement to any1, its very un-ethical, and my religion teaches ethics. So in anycase, Ive to be polite and good to every1 here
I just hope you can take my constructive criticism to heart.
Be specific and neutral on post, that I would take positive from you for sure
I have been just you don't understand that being neutral does not mean agreeing with whatever you say.
Ive been neutral here, unlike you who always attack and give personal remarks to others, which shows the bad behaviour of debate, anyway I;am not here to argue you, Im here to present truth and to do debate in a good and civilized manner. If you want in this way, I will be happy to discuss with you always.
Okay if you want truth here it is, the sun shines the moon does not and shoes have nothing to do with either. The only kind of moonshine there is is the kind you drink. When you give a shoe shine you are polishing your shoes. Not understanding english idioms is understandable but to base an argument on one is unforgivable.

There is no logic in these argument. Also its not showing the argument here, what is mention in Quran, that the light of moon is reflected light, dats enough to understand I guess.