Does Fundamentalism impede learning?

[Zzyzx]

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Does Fundamentalism impede learning?

When I taught college / university geology and Earth science courses, many Fundamentalist Christian students refused to even consider information that conflicted with what their bible or their preacher said. The Earth “was created by god� relatively recently (perhaps 4004 BCE as per Archbishop Ussher’s calculations from genealogy), fossils were “put in rocks by the devil to confuse man�, there was a worldwide flood (in spite of the need for one billion cubic miles of water beyond the Earth’s supply, and in spite of no evidence to indicate that the story is true), etc.

Those students often regurgitated answers on tests to earn a grade, but steadfastly maintained their original ideas (apparently – though they may have changed since, particularly if they pursued the study of sciences).

In these debates we observe Literalists insisting that donkeys and snakes converse with humans, that people can live inside fish, that a lunch bucket lunch can be “blessed� and serve multitudes, that people walk on water, that water magically turns into water, that seas part and storms calm on command, and that dead bodies come back to life after days in the grave – all at least “once upon a time in a land far away�.

We know that religion has persecuted those who seek truthful answers to questions about nature – example Galileo and Socrates – and present anti-education / anti-science / anti-intellectual bent of many fundamentalist religious “leaders� (and their followers).

Question for debate:

Does Fundamentalism impede about nature and the real world we inhabit if the information conflicts with religious "teachings"?

[Grumpy]

whirlwind

The elect don't have free will. They are already justified. All others have free will to choose Him or not. As for the Words being God's....to answer you I must refer to His Word. He tells us He sends His Spirit to teach and His Spirit lives in us....

"The elect don't have free will."

Those who consider themselves the "elect" in this zombie like mindlessness are delusional, extreme examples of the gullibility of man and his ability to be indoctrinated if he is willing to just stop thinking for himself. If it were Aliens one believed in in this way, one would be liable to being constrained for the good of society. Religion gets a pass, I guess.

"As for the Words being God's....to answer you I must refer to His Word."

Don't bother, it's useless as evidence anyway.

"He tells us He sends His Spirit to teach and His Spirit lives in us...."

Does this "spirit" speak to you? Does he hate all the same people you do? Please let us know if he starts talking about taking extreme actions against sinners, ok?

Grumpy


So, "Resistence is futile, you will be assimulated."

[whirlwind]

I don't try to ignore the warning. I'm trying to understand it. I'm trying to work, considering their reprimand, as well as my task. Hopefully both can be accommodated.

Then I would suggest focusing on the Theology sub-forum, where scripture is considered authoritative, and avoid this one, as your apparent inability to follow the guidelines regarding this sub-forum may end up getting you on probation.

Scripture, whether here or on the moon is authoritative. The warning, which I certainly heed, said....

Moderator warning:

Again, this is a debating forum, not simply a place to quote the Bible without any regard to logically presenting a case. Please review the guidelines.

My understanding is I am able to use the Bible (or why even have a Debating Christianity and Religion forum) but, as written above...must "logically present" a case with said Scripture. I thought I was but will certainly try harder in the future.

[whirlwind]

whirlwind

The elect don't have free will. They are already justified. All others have free will to choose Him or not. As for the Words being God's....to answer you I must refer to His Word. He tells us He sends His Spirit to teach and His Spirit lives in us....

"The elect don't have free will."

Those who consider themselves the "elect" in this zombie like mindlessness are delusional, extreme examples of the gullibility of man and his ability to be indoctrinated if he is willing to just stop thinking for himself. If it were Aliens one believed in in this way, one would be liable to being constrained for the good of society. Religion gets a pass, I guess.

It isn't zombie like at all Grumpy. The elect don't have "free will" in relation to them choosing God. That choice was made already. All others must choose in this lifetime. The elect still make bad choices, sin and need to repent. The difference is...He knew them before and He calls them in this age. They are called for a purpose, to be His servants in taking His Word to others. He is, "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The elect help in that.


Romans 8:28-31 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

"As for the Words being God's....to answer you I must refer to His Word."

Don't bother, it's useless as evidence anyway.

"He tells us He sends His Spirit to teach and His Spirit lives in us...."

Does this "spirit" speak to you? Does he hate all the same people you do? Please let us know if he starts talking about taking extreme actions against sinners, ok?

Who do I hate? If He took actions against sinners then none of us would be here.

Grumpy

So, "Resistence is futile, you will be assimulated."

No. If you are one of the elect you will be called.

[Grumpy]

whirlwind

It isn't zombie like at all Grumpy. The elect don't have "free will" in relation to them choosing God.

They have no choice? So they have been assimulated(not to mention brainwashed, rinsed and repeated).

So, "Resistence is futile, you will be assimulated.".

No. If you are one of the elect you will be called.

Same difference.

Grumpy

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 210:

The point is Joey...I don't see what is written in the Bible as "faulty logic."

That's exactly my point. Here I, among others, have explained to you how referencing the Bible to support Bible claims is circular logic, and you still don't get it. It even became so bad a moderator had to rule on your use of such circular logic. That's the example of an impediment to learning.

I see atheism as so faulted it causes death and yet people willingly embrace it.

Theists don't die?

Now, I don't see any need to discuss this particular topic anymore but, should you have a question or some thing you see as "typically Christian" that you find laughable, past belief, totally bonkers....give me a try. Maybe I can help or...maybe not. If you don't ask we'll never know.

God.

Care to try to support that claim with something other than circular logic?

[whirlwind]

From Post 210:

The point is Joey...I don't see what is written in the Bible as "faulty logic."

That's exactly my point. Here I, among others, have explained to you how referencing the Bible to support Bible claims is circular logic, and you still don't get it. It even became so bad a moderator had to rule on your use of such circular logic. That's the example of an impediment to learning.

I see atheism as so faulted it causes death and yet people willingly embrace it.

Theists don't die?

All of us die physically. Believers are spiritually alive.

Now, I don't see any need to discuss this particular topic anymore but, should you have a question or some thing you see as "typically Christian" that you find laughable, past belief, totally bonkers....give me a try. Maybe I can help or...maybe not. If you don't ask we'll never know.

God.

Care to try to support that claim with something other than circular logic?

God is love Joey.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

[whirlwind]

whirlwind

It isn't zombie like at all Grumpy. The elect don't have "free will" in relation to them choosing God.

They have no choice? So they have been assimulated(not to mention brainwashed, rinsed and repeated).

So, "Resistence is futile, you will be assimulated.".

No. If you are one of the elect you will be called.

Same difference.

Grumpy

It is as 'Brer Rabbit said...."please don't throw me in 'dat briar patch."

[Zzyzx]

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All of us die physically. Believers are spiritually alive.

Unsubstantiated personal opinion and preaching

God is love Joey.

Unsubstantiated personal opinion and preaching

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love

Unsubstantiated bible quotation.

It is as 'Brer Rabbit said...."please don't throw me in 'dat briar patch."

Unproductive one-liner

Some people have difficulty with the concept of debate without preaching or attempting to use a favorite reference as authoritative (in spite of repeated warnings)

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 216:

I see atheism as so faulted it causes death and yet people willingly embrace it.

Theists don't die?

All of us die physically. Believers are spiritually alive.

Please present some means - beyond circular logic to show you speak truth.

God.
Care to try to support that claim with something other than circular logic?

God is love Joey.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

WITHOUT CIRCULAR LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ](*,)

The impediment to learning continues to affect the religious adherent.