Why is homosexuality wrong?

Greatest I Am · Post by **Greatest I Am** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:44 pm

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of Gods laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

Flail · Post by **Flail** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:11 am

GotJesus? wrote:

They are meant to. In the beginning no one had the diseases to pass on to children in the first place. If the world had not been corrupted, then the above situation I mentioned would have and should have been able to prevent any STD's. Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world and bad things now exist where they were never meant to. [Technically no bad was ever really meant to exist, but you know what I mean.]

AkiThePirate wrote:I can think of many forms of homosexual activity which are not fornication.
Also, this depends on where you get your definition of fornication, as some require the act to be heterosexual.
Fornication is any sex outside of marriage. That includes either before marriage or during marriage with someone other than your spouse. So yes. Homosexual sex would count as that, for the Bible teaches that same-gender marriage is not recognized as true marriage by God. And I do, personally, take the Bible as true. It all makes perfect sense to me.

Given your obvious indoctrinated beliefs, I would assume that to you, any sexual relationship between non-Christian 'married' couples straight or gay would be fornication. Since non-Christians couples would be married under the 'wrong God', their sexual acts thereafter would be a fornication in your mind notwithstanding their participation in a marriage ceremony under their particular version of 'God'. Is this correct? In your opinion, are married heterosexual non-Christian couples fornicators?

...and the whole 'fallen world' concept is nonsense....and the problem with it is the notion that we need a 'God' to pull us out of our corruptions. We have had a 'Christian God' in charge of us in the US for two centuries and I see that morally and ethically we are worse off than ever. Perhaps it is time to pull away from our religions. If we could all turn away from our indoctrinated 'God concepts' and toward each other we might eventually find 'God' in our mutual needs and sufferings.

LiamOS · Post by **LiamOS** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:17 am

[color=blue]GotJesus?[/color] wrote:They are meant to. In the beginning no one had the diseases to pass on to children in the first place.

That doesn't matter.

[color=red]GotJesus?[/color] wrote:If the world had not been corrupted, then the above situation I mentioned would have and should have been able to prevent any STD's.

If "the world had no been corrupted", then I could have unprotected sex with 100 women and 500 men at the same time without catching an STD.

[color=green]GotJesus?[/color] wrote:Unfortunately, we live in a fallen world and bad things now exist where they were never meant to. [Technically no bad was ever really meant to exist, but you know what I mean.]

ChaosBorders pointed out a problem here, but I'll take it one further.
If STDs are simply "not meant to exist", then how are homosexuals responsible for their contraction.

GotJesus? · Post by **GotJesus?** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:11 am

Flail wrote:Given your obvious indoctrinated beliefs, I would assume that to you, any sexual relationship between non-Christian 'married' couples straight or gay would be fornication. Since non-Christians couples would be married under the 'wrong God', their sexual acts thereafter would be a fornication in your mind notwithstanding their participation in a marriage ceremony under their particular version of 'God'. Is this correct? In your opinion, are married heterosexual non-Christian couples fornicators?

No, I would not. The Bible specifically says that marriage is between a man and women, but it doesn't specifically say it needs to be done under God Himself to be legitimate.

Flail wrote:...and the whole 'fallen world' concept is nonsense....and the problem with it is the notion that we need a 'God' to pull us out of our corruptions. We have had a 'Christian God' in charge of us in the US for two centuries and I see that morally and ethically we are worse off than ever. Perhaps it is time to pull away from our religions. If we could all turn away from our indoctrinated 'God concepts' and toward each other we might eventually find 'God' in our mutual needs and sufferings.

Yes. We used to have more of a Christian nation. Back then, as you say, thing were a lot less worse than they are now. And then, again as you say, things started to go downhill. And they began to go downhill once the Bible and prayer were kicked out of all public schools and we began to stray from God. Nowadays we are getting farther and farther away from Him and the change is noticeable for the worse. [/i][/quote]

Flail · Post by **Flail** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:19 am

GotJesus? wrote:
Flail wrote:Given your obvious indoctrinated beliefs, I would assume that to you, any sexual relationship between non-Christian 'married' couples straight or gay would be fornication. Since non-Christians couples would be married under the 'wrong God', their sexual acts thereafter would be a fornication in your mind notwithstanding their participation in a marriage ceremony under their particular version of 'God'. Is this correct? In your opinion, are married heterosexual non-Christian couples fornicators?
No, I would not. The Bible specifically says that marriage is between a man and women, but it doesn't specifically say it needs to be done under God Himself to be legitimate.

Flail wrote:...and the whole 'fallen world' concept is nonsense....and the problem with it is the notion that we need a 'God' to pull us out of our corruptions. We have had a 'Christian God' in charge of us in the US for two centuries and I see that morally and ethically we are worse off than ever. Perhaps it is time to pull away from our religions. If we could all turn away from our indoctrinated 'God concepts' and toward each other we might eventually find 'God' in our mutual needs and sufferings.
Yes. We used to have more of a Christian nation. Back then, as you say, thing were a lot less worse than they are now. And then, again as you say, things started to go downhill. And they began to go downhill once the Bible and prayer were kicked out of all public schools and we began to stray from God. Nowadays we are getting farther and farther away from Him and the change is noticeable for the worse. [/i]

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I disagree with your assessment of the evidence. Are there not more Christians and Christian Churches today than at anytime in our history? Is not Christian Church wealth and power greater now than at any time in our history? Are not most of our elected officials Christian? Is not Christian TV more prominent than ever before reaching millions each day with the message of the Bible?

LiamOS · Post by **LiamOS** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:52 am

Since we've been 'straying from god', things have been getting better, IMO.
If you feel otherwise, please show why. Also, remember that correlation does not mean causation.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:56 pm

GotJesus? wrote:
Flail wrote:Given your obvious indoctrinated beliefs, I would assume that to you, any sexual relationship between non-Christian 'married' couples straight or gay would be fornication. Since non-Christians couples would be married under the 'wrong God', their sexual acts thereafter would be a fornication in your mind notwithstanding their participation in a marriage ceremony under their particular version of 'God'. Is this correct? In your opinion, are married heterosexual non-Christian couples fornicators?
No, I would not. The Bible specifically says that marriage is between a man and women, but it doesn't specifically say it needs to be done under God Himself to be legitimate.

Where does it say that? I mean, Abraham had two wives, so that changes that right then and there. It does say a 'man' and 'woman' can cleave together, but that does not say that is the only possibility.

Then, to further complicate matters, most of the Bible was written by Bronze age people, with some folks with weird hangups. Why should I accept their word for 'being from God'?

Flail wrote:...and the whole 'fallen world' concept is nonsense....and the problem with it is the notion that we need a 'God' to pull us out of our corruptions. We have had a 'Christian God' in charge of us in the US for two centuries and I see that morally and ethically we are worse off than ever. Perhaps it is time to pull away from our religions. If we could all turn away from our indoctrinated 'God concepts' and toward each other we might eventually find 'God' in our mutual needs and sufferings.

Yes. We used to have more of a Christian nation. Back then, as you say, thing were a lot less worse than they are now. And then, again as you say, things started to go downhill. And they began to go downhill once the Bible and prayer were kicked out of all public schools and we began to stray from God. Nowadays we are getting farther and farther away from Him and the change is noticeable for the worse. [/i][/quote][/quote]

ChaosBorders · Post by **ChaosBorders** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:55 pm

Firstly, why does everyone seem to be having quote issues today?

GotJesus? wrote: No, I would not. The Bible specifically says that marriage is between a man and women, but it doesn't specifically say it needs to be done under God Himself to be legitimate.

Again, the Bible is not authoritative in this sub-forum, but even going with it as being such, would you care to cite the verses where it says marriage can only and exclusively be between a man and a woman?

GotJesus? wrote: Yes. We used to have more of a Christian nation. Back then, as you say, thing were a lot less worse than they are now. And then, again as you say, things started to go downhill. And they began to go downhill once the Bible and prayer were kicked out of all public schools and we began to stray from God. Nowadays we are getting farther and farther away from Him and the change is noticeable for the worse. [/i]

I think you are viewing America's past through some seriously rose colored glasses. Certainly there are things we have issues with now, but on the whole we have also overcome many significant horrible things in our past like segregation. So you're going to have to be more specific on evidence of us going "downhill."

Furrowed Brow · Post by **Furrowed Brow** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:59 pm

ChaosBorders wrote: on the whole we have also overcome many significant horrible things in our past like segregation. So you're going to have to be more specific on evidence of us going "downhill."

Concur. Is the US a better place before the 13th amendment or after? If the downhill conjecture is correct then maybe we should conclude better before.

(I'm not a US citizen anf have yet to visit).

play_smom · Post by **play_smom** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:23 pm

Homosexuality isn't wrong. In order for something to be 'wrong' it has to cause harm to someone or something. Homosexuality harms nobody and nothing. It is no more 'wrong' than heterosexuality and it is not justified to treat homosexuality as a discretion, a disease, or any sort of crime. It is natural, it is acceptable, and it is perfectly fine.

TheParticlePerson · Post by **TheParticlePerson** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:47 pm

So this behemoth of a thread returns. It's disheartening to me that this has carried on for so many pages. In a truly advanced society, this could be condensed to a couple of sentences.

"Why not just let gay people be gay?"
"Makes sense to me."