Why do evolutionist lie?

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:24 pm

I really don't understand why evolutionist lie, short of trying to keep their bogus theory alive. How can anyone belive in evolution(macro)? Please enlighten me.

Chimp · Post by **Chimp** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:24 pm

Any specific lies?

I'm all for a debate...but your question is massively vague, something akin
to Why do all creationists have double digit IQ's? It's also inflamatory,
but that seems par for these types of discussions.

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:57 pm

Chimp wrote:Any specific lies?

I'm all for a debate...but your question is massively vague, something akin
to Why do all creationists have double digit IQ's? It's also inflamatory,
but that seems par for these types of discussions.

Thank you for you response, although I think it is very rude of you to suggest Creationist have double digit IQ's. The title of my thread is similar to another thread entitled "Why do Creationist Lie?" I found it curious no one came to their defense, yet everyone who posted just jumped in and agreed. Yet the first post here comes to the defense of the atheist. I guess I was doing my own little "test" to see how stacked the deck is in here. My suspicions were confirmed. Thank you for at least showing what I had already suspected. I would be willing to debate, but civility seems to absent, which is disappointing, because I understood this forum was different. In reality it is not. It's like, hey, we can bash Creationist, but they cant do the same back, that's not fair. So instead of debating here, I will pass. Again thank you.

Chimp · Post by **Chimp** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:10 pm

Re-read what I posted...it was tongue in cheek...

My point was suggesting you rephrase or clarify your post, not
post an obviously inflammatory question ( known as flame bait ).

I was likening your question to mine there was no suggestion that it
was actually true.

As far as the other post...I've made objections to the tone of other
debate questions...the one about Nazareth being a hoax for instance.

I have noticed here...that if you post a well composed question/argument
you will for the most part get thoughtful answers...as far as "testing",
don't waste peoples time. Get to the meat of your debate.

Chimp · Post by **Chimp** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:31 pm

I vaguely remembered the post you mentioned...and went to re-read it.

You are correct, it should have had the qualifier "some", but the meat of
debate ( more a discussion than debate ) was about one particular person.
The lead post was detailed and spelled out what the topic was about.

As to your question regarding what advances has evolution produced?

The theory of Evolution has inspired the study of genetics, which in
turn has led to immunology, gene-therapy, cloning/organ replication
research ( still in it's infancy as it were ) to name a few. I'm sure I have
left many things out.

Again, I'm not sure how this bears on your assertion that ALL evolutionists
lie.

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:07 pm

I don't think ALL evolutionist lie. Again, I just titled my thread just like the other one was titled "why do Creationoist lie". I just replaced Creationist with Evolutionist. I think there are some things in macro evolution that have been proven wrong, yet still in the text books. Such as Haekels drawing of embyo growth patterns, and gill pouches. I think micro evolution is good sound science. Macro evolution is unprovable, scientific or otherwise. So what has macro evolution done to advance mankind?

perfessor · Post by **perfessor** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:15 pm

upnorthfan wrote:So what has macro evolution done to advance mankind?

Well, it created us, for one thing!

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:29 pm

seeing how you like quotes:)

Malcolm Muggeridge, journalist and philosopher, Pascal Lectures University of Waterloo, Ontario Canada said "I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it has been applied, will be one of the biggest jokes in the books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubios an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible creduity that it has".

Automic energy commision "Scientist who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con men, and the story they are telling maybe be the biggest hoax ever. In explaining evolution, we do not have one iota of fact". Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, automic energy commision, USA.

Obviously they are talking macro evolution.

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:35 pm

perfessor wrote:
upnorthfan wrote:So what has macro evolution done to advance mankind?
Well, it created us, for one thing!

That remains to be seen. What else has it done?

juliod · Post by **juliod** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:10 pm

Malcolm Muggeridge, journalist and philosopher

Note: not a biologist.

Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, automic energy commision, USA.

Note: not a biologist.

Meanwhile, 100% (all of them) of actual research biologists accept the theory of evolution. Almost all of them (99.999%) do so without lying.

Those biologists who lie do so out of some personal failing, not a professional one.

The other question (why do creationists lie) is perfectly valid, since essentially all well-known creationists can be shown to lie vigorously. As far as I know, none of them do not repeat conclusively-falsified claims. There is a very large component of deception within creationism.

I think it is a misinterpretation of Job:

Job 13 (NIV):
7 Will you speak wickedly on God's behalf? Will you speak deceitfully for him?

8 Will you show him partiality? Will you argue the case for God?

DanZ