Does Evolution exist at all?

[Alchemy]

Does evolution exist in any form?

If you are a proponent of Creation, do you believe that evolution is at work in any form or is everything created by God?

If you believe the latter, how do you account for bacteria becoming resistant to penicillin or rabbits becoming immune to Myxomatosis?

Do you believe that God actually changed the make up of some bacteria to make penicillin ineffective and thereby increasing human suffering?

These bacteria have certainly changed in some way for them to be resistant to Penicillin so if you dont believe God intervened in the change of these bacteria, are you not acknowledging the make up of these bacteria changed by some other method and have obviously passed on something to their offspring who are also resistant to Penicillin? This is one of the basic concepts of Evolution. If not, how do you account for this phenomenon?

Do you believe that when God was creating the Rabbits, he made some that were immune to Myxomatosis and some that werent? If not, how do you account for the fact that some rabbits have not died from Myxomatosis despite continued exposure to it and the offspring of those rabbits that did not die are also very likely not to die from it. The offspring of those off spring are even more likely not to die and so it goes on until we have the current situation where in some environments 50% of the rabbit population are now immune to Myxomatosis?

[sickles]

Does evolution exist in any form?

If you are a proponent of Creation, do you believe that evolution is at work in any form or is everything created by God?

If you believe the latter, how do you account for bacteria becoming resistant to penicillin or rabbits becoming immune to Myxomatosis?

Do you believe that God actually changed the make up of some bacteria to make penicillin ineffective and thereby increasing human suffering?

These bacteria have certainly changed in some way for them to be resistant to Penicillin so if you dont believe God intervened in the change of these bacteria, are you not acknowledging the make up of these bacteria changed by some other method and have obviously passed on something to their offspring who are also resistant to Penicillin? This is one of the basic concepts of Evolution. If not, how do you account for this phenomenon?

Do you believe that when God was creating the Rabbits, he made some that were immune to Myxomatosis and some that werent? If not, how do you account for the fact that some rabbits have not died from Myxomatosis despite continued exposure to it and the offspring of those rabbits that did not die are also very likely not to die from it. The offspring of those off spring are even more likely not to die and so it goes on until we have the current situation where in some environments 50% of the rabbit population are now immune to Myxomatosis?

Hi alchemy. I just wanted to tell you that this topic is a dead horse that has be vigorously beaten, burned, defleshed, and otherwise liquified several times in the past couple of weeks. I dont think anyone is biting. Maybe another topic? Just trying to be helpful.

also there is a science vs religion room that might be more willing to bite.

[Jester]

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[raison d'etre]

Hi! This is my first post here (as far as I know). I didn't choose your thread because it was intriguing or because of your didacticism. It was more simple than that. I chose it because it was very short with only a couple of responses (and those were not really responses per se).

One of the biggest reasons there is so much debate between evolutionists and creationists is because of the perception (or definition) of what evolution is. If one tries to define evolution in one word, he could hardly do better than defining it as CHANGE. Evolution is change. Ironically, this one word could also be used to define LIFE because of the very fact that life is dynamic and in constant change. If something isn't constantly changing, it isn't alive. Therefore, what you call EVOLUTION (though you expand on the concept to the fantasy realm of conjecture to encompass false assumptions and unmerited extrapolations) is really nothing more than the dynamic nature of life.

Is life evolving? Absolutely! Is life ever changing? No doubt! Does this prove common descent and abiogenesis? Absolutely not!

Is there any reason to believe that given enough time the procreative/reproductive process of human beings will beget something OTHER than human? No, there's not. The more likely causative agent would be intentional genetic alteration or gene-splicing. Recombinant DNA is not arbitrary or random...it is a planned deliberate action performed by a sentient or intelligent being.

With a proper understanding of the dynamics of life, you should be able to see just how silly your rhetorical questions become. The very nature of life makes it ADAPTIVE beyond belief. Immunities develop. Tissues regenerate. Resilience increases. All these capabilities were built into life (by design) to make the various lifeforms able to function without constant intervention.

Are they perfect? Of course not! Their evanescent nature precludes that. Their mortality is a function of that imperfection.

Life has been set in motion...and it is not easily rescinded. After all, that's Newton's First Law of Motion (though I think it was probably God's Law first).

[nygreenguy]

Is there any reason to believe that given enough time the procreative/reproductive process of human beings will beget something OTHER than human? No, there's not.

Argument to incredulity.

The more likely causative agent would be intentional genetic alteration or gene-splicing. Recombinant DNA is not arbitrary or random...it is a planned deliberate action performed by a sentient or intelligent being.

Evidence?

With a proper understanding of the dynamics of life, you should be able to see just how silly your rhetorical questions become.

Proper understanding? You question the op's understanding while denying one of the most rigorously studied and proven theories we have?

The very nature of life makes it ADAPTIVE beyond belief. Immunities develop. Tissues regenerate. Resilience increases. All these capabilities were built into life (by design) to make the various lifeforms able to function without constant intervention.

Then why are the vast majority of species which ever lived gone extinct. Remember, nature is competition. Every time one species adapts, another needs to adapt to keep up. Eventually, someone wins and someone loses.

Life has been set in motion...and it is not easily rescinded. After all, that's Newton's First Law of Motion (though I think it was probably God's Law first).

Except newton was real.

[TheMessenger]

Does evolution exist in any form?

If you are a proponent of Creation, do you believe that evolution is at work in any form or is everything created by God?

If you believe the latter, how do you account for bacteria becoming resistant to penicillin or rabbits becoming immune to Myxomatosis?

Do you believe that God actually changed the make up of some bacteria to make penicillin ineffective and thereby increasing human suffering?

These bacteria have certainly changed in some way for them to be resistant to Penicillin so if you dont believe God intervened in the change of these bacteria, are you not acknowledging the make up of these bacteria changed by some other method and have obviously passed on something to their offspring who are also resistant to Penicillin? This is one of the basic concepts of Evolution. If not, how do you account for this phenomenon?

Do you believe that when God was creating the Rabbits, he made some that were immune to Myxomatosis and some that werent? If not, how do you account for the fact that some rabbits have not died from Myxomatosis despite continued exposure to it and the offspring of those rabbits that did not die are also very likely not to die from it. The offspring of those off spring are even more likely not to die and so it goes on until we have the current situation where in some environments 50% of the rabbit population are now immune to Myxomatosis?

If your definition of "evolution" is change within a species, all agree with that. Adaption is what you are giving examples of in your original post, but a species evolving into another is unsubstantiated by science.

[100%atheist]

If your definition of "evolution" is change within a species, all agree with that. Adaption is what you are giving examples of in your original post, but a species evolving into another is unsubstantiated by science.

It is basically the same process. Take a biology course. I think some video lectures can be available.

[FrostyM288]

"Species evolving INTO another" is probably a poor mindset. Though technically true, it brings about the idea of a dog turning into a cat.

More accurate wording would be two populations of the same species diverging enough so that they cannot interbreed. Thus 2 species from 1.

[Clownboat]

"Species evolving INTO another" is probably a poor mindset. Though technically true, it brings about the idea of a dog turning into a cat.

More accurate wording would be two populations of the same species diverging enough so that they cannot interbreed. Thus 2 species from 1.

Thank you for that! If only more people on here understood what you mean...

We could then do away with the, "molecules to man" and "my great x 100 grandpa was not a monkey" arguments which only prove a lack of understanding.

[100%atheist]

"Species evolving INTO another" is probably a poor mindset. Though technically true, it brings about the idea of a dog turning into a cat.

More accurate wording would be two populations of the same species diverging enough so that they cannot interbreed. Thus 2 species from 1.

How about theists and atheists? I am now sure I could interbreed with a theist. Look theists and atheists have different average number of children that could be interpreted as a different level of breading to keep the survival level of ? species. Probably not yet, but are we on the way to form new species or a new distinct variation?