This is my proof of the fraudulent, and manipulation of the bible, Don’t get me wrong.. I am not against God, Or Jesus. But, I do believe that these stories were manipulated for the purpose of control, which has succeeded greatly, First of all History back’s me up, for my evidence in my cause.. People will see what I write as an attack.. But I see my report as truth, Enlightenment to the lie’s spreaded around the world, I am not attacking you, I only wish to help, First of all, I am an eclectic wiccan, A form of paganism, Eclectic mean’s that I am open to learn as I will.. I do not follow one’s path.. I follow my own, in what I feel is truth. Pagan’s/Wiccan’s have been attacked and prosecuted by Christian’s/Catholic’s for many years. Yet, Little do they know, that their whole religion is a plagiarized version of the pagan religion itself, Many don’t see this.. The holiday’s, Like Christmas, Easter, Halloween, thanksgiving. They were pagan religion’s long before Christianity was in the thought’s of men.. Samhain, Is today’s Halloween, The pagan’s Yule holiday, is Christianity’s Christmas, Which both coincidentally is the same day.. As is Samhain.. Notice the word Yule used.. A very common pagan word, used for Christmas.. It is The Holiday is a celebration for Rebirth and Life.. The Holiday Imbolic, Is today’s groundhog day.. Still..
The Pagan Holiday Eostara is Christian’s easter.. The holiday is a celebration of rebirth.. Which is a coincidence considering it is considered the day that Jesus Rose again.. Our Religion Mabon.. Is Christian’s thanks’ giving.. Which is also a day for giving thanks’..
Now off to another point.. Christian symbol’s.. Christian Symbol’s you see today are also Pagan Symbol’s.. Like the Cross that Jesus died on.. The cross is considered to a pagan, as the Cross of the Zodiac, The circle around the center point of the cross represents the sun.. Which is where the idea, of the son of god. The Fish.. The fish that Jesus drew on the ground, Is also the same symbol used to represent Pagan astrology’s symbol of the ages.. Which in this case, is the age of Pisces, Which we are still in today.
Now, This is where the real proof come’s in. The story of Jesus, Believe it or not, The story of Jesus has been told Thousand’s of year’s before Christian’s Jesus was born, The list of how many people share the same story and same trait’s is seemingly endless.. Which make’s me believe, that there was a man somewhere that has done the same thing has him.. One example of many.. Horus was also born of the virgin Isis , He is the Only Begotten son of Osiris, His Foster father was Seb, Also meaning Jo-seph,
Him and Jesus are of Royal Descent, Both born in a cave, An Angel came to both, and Warned Isis of her virgin birth, 3 king’s came to Jesus following a star to the east, 3 solar deities, Followed a star to the east, to find Horus, Mother Isis was told at the birth of Horus "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.". As Joseph, Father of Jesus was told "Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.". Both were teacher’s at the age of 12, They were both Baptized at the age of 30, Horus Baptized by Anup, as Jesus baptized by John the Baptist, Both Anup, and John were Beheaded. Horus and Jesus both performed many miracles, such as Raising the dead, Water to wine, Walking on water, and many more.. Later He was Betrayed by A close friend and Disciple, To then be crucified and then cast into a tomb.. Both resurrected 3 day’s later, to then later descend into the heaven’s.. Keep in mind, This is only one story that is similar to the story of Jesus.. And also.. Much Much older.. There are so many, it would take entirely too long to go through it all, Although, if you wish to research yourself.. I will list a few name’s… Odin of the Norse, Mithra, Krishna, Gautama a.k.a.Buddha, Attis , Zoroaster, Dionysus, Quetzaloatl, Tammuz, Alestis, Esus, Bel, Bali, Orpheus, Iao and Wittoba.. Keep in mind. .There are many many more..
Now off to God, In the bible, There are mention’s of other God’s which Christianity say’s they are fake, But if you actually listen without a stubborn mind.. it speak’s of other’s.. as if they are real..
“Now I know that the Lord is greater than all other gods, for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.� Exodus 18:11
"You shall have no other gods before me."
Exodus 20:3
"Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips."
Exodus 23:13
"What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him?"
Deuteronomy 4:7
"Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;"
Deuteronomy 6:14
"for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you."
Deuteronomy 7:4
"If you ever forget the Lord your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed."
Deuteronomy 8:19
"Be careful, or you will be enticed to turn away and worship other gods and bow down to them."
Deuteronomy 11:16
"the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known." Deuteronomy 11:28
Anyway.. You get the point.. This list can go on a long time..
Off to God and Zues.. The similarities, Both were very vengeful god’s Loving.. and Destructive and angry..
Both at one point were very angry, Angered at man for their sin’s , Gave up on man.. And chose a select few to build an Ark, Collect animal’s.. and then… Flooded the earth. As for a different story, but yet the same.. God Sent Noah to build his ark, and Gilgamesh sent Untapishtim, Both Flood’s were global, both were for the punishment of man’s sin’s, Both were Sent by God/God’s, both build a boat, and both complained, both had at least one window, both held animals, It rained heavily for both of them..
They both released bird’s to find land.
On to Corruption, Control.. And Lie's.. Used for control nation's.. Also used as conversion..
Do you remember Constantine of Rome? He was once a Pagan, Turned to a Christian..
He pulled a stunt very clever.. A tactic of Conversion.. Considering that Constantine had turned to Christian, He knew that most of his follower's were Pagan, To help his follower's and other's become christian, He made up christian holiday's on the same date's as Pagan Holiday's, Which would eventually turn everyone into a Christian. Also Back then.. A pope declared Pagan's as servant's to the devil.. Because of his Status and power, Claiming that God claimed so.. It would be easy for him kill and convert.. He killed Innocent people because of their religion, And still today, it Is still taught in church.. They claim everything about Us is evil.. We serve the devil.. And practice black magic.. Yet.. Many do not know a single thing of my religion, but that it is the devil.. The pentagram, Or Pentacle, Is a sacred symbol of a pagan, It stand's for many thing's.. Nothing to do with evil, not one bit.. The star is a representation of the element's, and also a portrayal of the human body.. The circle is a representation of the shape of the earth, and also a wall of protection around the human body.., It is a holy symbol used by pagan's as protection from evil.. Some ask.. Why does it look like the satanist pentagram? Well.. That is because they stole it from us Wiccan's.. They stole our symbol and stuck it upside down.. Their's represent's a bull with horn's..
We have nothing to do with them and their practice's.. Anyway's on with what I was saying,
The bible is a great weapon, A scare tactic to control, An example is Jonestown.. The man who used this scare tactic to lead so many into a trap.. Then eventually led to a mass suicide.. Thousand's of year's war's fought to claim that their God is the true God, Between Muslim, The Hare Krishna's, Christian's and Catholic's.. Still to this day.. this war is still going.. So much bloodshed, over who's book is right.. It's nonsense.. And after thousand's of year's nothing is changing.. Ever thought that nobody will give up? That you are fighting a war that cant be won? Maybe thought... Wow.. Think of all the live's... For nothing.. They use this tactic to get you to fight war's, for a cause they make up.. For example.. The Taliban, So many go on suicide missions in believe of great reward to do so.. And yet, What is this battle really for? To kill all Infidel's? Why Should I kill all Infidel's? Well.. Because god will give you lot's of women.. You see my point? The man who wrote this is now your master.. You are his slave, and you dont know it.. The book's of the bible.. There are so many book's of the bible, and yet so many did not make it.. They were burned by pope's, to Simply make Jesus and God look more pure... They were Edited, to gain control over Man.. Think about it.. What make's a book found by the pope.. and chosen by the pope, to be any more correct than any other book's found in Ancient time's.. So.. The pope say's they are fake.. and You dont take any consideration that maybe.. This is real? The book's back then were in consideration at one point.. For example... The Dead Sea Scroll's.. Older than the actual bible, These were carried by Men who were fleeing from people trying to kill them off.. These were the book's the Islam's considered the Bible back in those time's.. But Christian's today see them as blasphemy.. As a Lie... Ever wonder why they are so Defensive to this? Because it break's off their control.. Anyone who believe's these thing's are free from their hand's.. They dont like that..
Another Scare tactic I will address.. Hell.. That word is so powerful, Probably the most powerful word in the world.. It is easy to convert someone who is afraid of eternal burning and torture, But then the Bible Addresses free will.. But really how much free will is in, Burn in hell, Or Live in paradise in the heaven's.. Only a fool would choose hell.. So... if you want to go to heaven, Believe in god, Accept Jesus into your heart, Serve his wishes, Become like him, and you will go to heaven.. Not a bad deal, Not a bad deal at all.. Cant see much wrong with that. That is a statement most cant turn down. Then, That give's your pastor power.. Dont get me wrong, I am NOT saying that all Christian's are evil.. Majority of Christian's are the nicest people on earth, Also some of the meanest! I know many great Pastor's with a great and pure cause.. These people do great thing's for the world.. Then you Have the guy who know's what kind of control he can get.. Money, Church Offering's.. Offer your money to god, then you see your pastor with some fancy Jewelry, Some fancy clothe's, and He is telling you, this money is going to Africa, and show's a picture of a white man and some Happy African's... I am a Man that believe's believe's that the greatest of all evil, Will present itself holy and pure.. And That Evil will bring the greatest of people with it, and use their good heart for it's will..
I do not believe in the word perfect, Because it is impossible, no god, man, or being can be perfect..
A good example is God himself, and all of us.. Even the best of us.. He does thing's that are strangely... Human... Murder, Lie's Desciet.. But he also has his loving side.. As all of us do.. We are all capable of Evil.. and Good... We are not to be judged on our past, but what we are now.. and the future of ourselves to come.. Though, I know most will see what I write, and Claim me evil, They will acuse me of assault, Lie's, Desceit.. But know, This is some information I have kept to myself for so long, because I was afraid of what those would say of me.. Thing's that may happen.. But the truth is.. This may be a School assignment, But this is also for the world, I could keep this to myself and let those be blind and controlled, But that would be selfish, This is something I give as a Gift, To help free you, Not hurt you, Those who have read this with an open mind, can not deny what I am saying, But those with a closed mind, likely stopped reading this a while back, Or are thinking of way's to prove me wrong.. and By all means! Do So! I seek the truth! Again, this does not prove god, or Jesus fake, But show's that the bible is fake, Their Story is real, why else would their be so many different versions? Somewhere in all these story's and myth's has to have truth somewhere..
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G'day Jester.Jester wrote:Okay, I'll attempt this again. ...
You'll "attempt" what "again" ?
Making out that the hearsay evidence you provided is 'true' and the hearsay evidence that I've provided is 'false' ?
No matter how many years an individual spends learning preselected answers to fill into blank spaces on a 'test' paper to be rewarded with a piece of paper claiming intellectual superiority, nor how many people give accolades to such individuals, it does not mean that they actually are superior. After all, it is the winners of wars that write and teach history, and how much is 'truth' and how much is propaganda disguised as 'truth' is up to the individual to decide for themselves.
If you'd REALLY like to debate using REAL evidence, then let us discuss from experiential knowledge and leave the hearsay evidence behind.
I recognise that this could be a scary thing to do for a religious believer, after all, you couldn't rely on the hearsay evidence of your religious texts, the hearsay evidence of what religious grouping you've been indoctrinated into, etc, etc, and instead would have to rely on the evidence of your own experience.
I believe that Life surrounds my physicality and that the Sum Totality of Life is ALL THAT IS.
The evidence of this is my experience of Life. Now you can "attempt" to CONvince me of a religious 'reality', yet my experience shows it to be 'fake' from simple observation / experiential knowledge of Life.
So would you really like to debate using real (reality) evidence ?
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I'm cutting your coloring. I hope you don't mind.
I wrote a lengthy response to the original post, which covered some of the same points. That wasn't really connected to you or any interchange we have had - feel free to ignore it.
First, I agree that each must decide what is true, but recommend that one select the answer which best fits the relevant facts. I do agree that history is, to a large degree, written by the winners. This does not make the losers right, however. We must consider what we know.
Second, you seem to be attacking the credibility of the university system here. I don't have perfect faith in it myself, but feel that it is reasonable to place more trust in it than a particular magazine article. This is particularly true of an article which does not offer traceable sources.
I'm actually quite interested in that latter, but would like to stick to the topic for now.
I don't, however, consider personal experience evidence in a debate because it can't be tested by other parties. As such, yes, I would like to use real evidence, but seem to be defining that term quite differently than the way in which you do.
Regardless, you posted a very lengthy claim about the origins of the Christian religion. Do you wish to support that claim, or retract it?
If the latter, I would be more than happy to discuss this new claim with you.
Same to you.I AM ALL I AM wrote:G'day Jester.
Apologies. That was unclear.I AM ALL I AM wrote:You'll "attempt" what "again" ?
I wrote a lengthy response to the original post, which covered some of the same points. That wasn't really connected to you or any interchange we have had - feel free to ignore it.
I don't recall providing any hearsay, but I'll respond more specifically to any issues you'd like to bring up.I AM ALL I AM wrote:Making out that the hearsay evidence you provided is 'true' and the hearsay evidence that I've provided is 'false' ?
I agree that something is not true simply because it is claimed to be true somewhere. But I would have two answers to this.I AM ALL I AM wrote:No matter how many years an individual spends learning preselected answers to fill into blank spaces on a 'test' paper to be rewarded with a piece of paper claiming intellectual superiority, nor how many people give accolades to such individuals, it does not mean that they actually are superior. After all, it is the winners of wars that write and teach history, and how much is 'truth' and how much is propaganda disguised as 'truth' is up to the individual to decide for themselves.
First, I agree that each must decide what is true, but recommend that one select the answer which best fits the relevant facts. I do agree that history is, to a large degree, written by the winners. This does not make the losers right, however. We must consider what we know.
Second, you seem to be attacking the credibility of the university system here. I don't have perfect faith in it myself, but feel that it is reasonable to place more trust in it than a particular magazine article. This is particularly true of an article which does not offer traceable sources.
I'd like to debate based on what is more reliable. I have no objection to using ancient documents. I merely want those who tell me what they say to be able to actually produce a copy of the document for me to read.I AM ALL I AM wrote:If you'd REALLY like to debate using REAL evidence, then let us discuss from experiential knowledge and leave the hearsay evidence behind.
This is an ad hominem argument, and therefore beside the point of the discussion.I AM ALL I AM wrote:I recognise that this could be a scary thing to do for a religious believer, after all, you couldn't rely on the hearsay evidence of your religious texts, the hearsay evidence of what religious grouping you've been indoctrinated into, etc, etc, and instead would have to rely on the evidence of your own experience.
I have a great many thoughts on this subject, but this is not our current topic.I AM ALL I AM wrote:I believe that Life surrounds my physicality and that the Sum Totality of Life is ALL THAT IS.
I had thought that we were discussing various theories about the origin of the Christian religion, not the comparative strengths of our personal worldviews.I AM ALL I AM wrote:The evidence of this is my experience of Life. Now you can "attempt" to CONvince me of a religious 'reality', yet my experience shows it to be 'fake' from simple observation / experiential knowledge of Life.
I'm actually quite interested in that latter, but would like to stick to the topic for now.
I've always considered historical documents real evidence.I AM ALL I AM wrote:So would you really like to debate using real (reality) evidence ?
I don't, however, consider personal experience evidence in a debate because it can't be tested by other parties. As such, yes, I would like to use real evidence, but seem to be defining that term quite differently than the way in which you do.
Regardless, you posted a very lengthy claim about the origins of the Christian religion. Do you wish to support that claim, or retract it?
If the latter, I would be more than happy to discuss this new claim with you.
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G'day Jester.

The beginning premise of creation stories is founded in hearsay evidence. It predominantly doesn't get much 'better' after that as well.
There are three sides to any debate,
Yours, mine and the correct one mate.
... so I hear you.
It's difficult to obtain articles of Tony Bushby online, which may or may not have something to do with the subject matter of his books; The Bible Fraud; The Crucifixion Of Truth; The Papal Billions, etc.
For this reason I used the article as it saved me having to type up tracts of information presented in his books, which incidentally references all texts quoted from.
Any document is evidence that someone at some point wrote something. Most classifications of whether it is 'truth' written in the document is based upon a determination of whether what is written is probable or not.
Yet ultimately it is still something that someone at some point wrote down. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a sense, discussing "ancient documents" is simply presenting which documents we have chosen to give a higher probability of 'truth' to the written content. This process doesn't actually make the written content as 'truth' though, no matter which position in the personal hierarchy of probability it has been placed.
Personal experience is how you can test out what is stated. If you cannot have a similar experience to what is being described by another, no matter what you do in attempting to duplicate it, then it is likely that what is stated is not a true description of what occurred.
The difference in the way I perceive this might have something to do with the way I view 'trust'. I trust you to be the way you are until you show me otherwise. If you are being truthful in relationship with me, then I will continue to trust you to be that way until you show me that you are not being truthful. Thus the evidence that you present can be 'tested' through my own experience and a recognition of what it is you are being determined ... truthful or dishonest.
Obviously there is more that goes with this, though that can be considered a basic overview.
Here's an example ...
When I stated that Life surrounds my physicality, you can instantly check your own experience and recognise the validity of the statement.
"Here's some information that you might find useful in expanding upon your "proof" ..."
... simply for his benefit.
Personally, I am more inclined to lean towards an amalgamation of differing viewpoints about the bible story.
No worries a all.Jester wrote:I'm cutting your coloring. I hope you don't mind.

Ahhh, okie dokes. No harm, no foul.Jester wrote:Same to you.I AM ALL I AM wrote:G'day Jester.
Apologies. That was unclear.I AM ALL I AM wrote:You'll "attempt" what "again" ?
I wrote a lengthy response to the original post, which covered some of the same points. That wasn't really connected to you or any interchange we have had - feel free to ignore it.
Almost the whole religious discussion is based around hearsay evidence. A simple question to clarify this ... Who was there during it taking notes to give us religious versions of the beginning of creation ?Jester wrote:I don't recall providing any hearsay, but I'll respond more specifically to any issues you'd like to bring up.I AM ALL I AM wrote:Making out that the hearsay evidence you provided is 'true' and the hearsay evidence that I've provided is 'false' ?
The beginning premise of creation stories is founded in hearsay evidence. It predominantly doesn't get much 'better' after that as well.
I once wrote a couple of lines for a poem that stated ...Jester wrote:I agree that something is not true simply because it is claimed to be true somewhere. But I would have two answers to this.I AM ALL I AM wrote:No matter how many years an individual spends learning preselected answers to fill into blank spaces on a 'test' paper to be rewarded with a piece of paper claiming intellectual superiority, nor how many people give accolades to such individuals, it does not mean that they actually are superior. After all, it is the winners of wars that write and teach history, and how much is 'truth' and how much is propaganda disguised as 'truth' is up to the individual to decide for themselves.
First, I agree that each must decide what is true, but recommend that one select the answer which best fits the relevant facts. I do agree that history is, to a large degree, written by the winners. This does not make the losers right, however. We must consider what we know.
Second, you seem to be attacking the credibility of the university system here. I don't have perfect faith in it myself, but feel that it is reasonable to place more trust in it than a particular magazine article. This is particularly true of an article which does not offer traceable sources.
There are three sides to any debate,
Yours, mine and the correct one mate.
... so I hear you.

It's difficult to obtain articles of Tony Bushby online, which may or may not have something to do with the subject matter of his books; The Bible Fraud; The Crucifixion Of Truth; The Papal Billions, etc.

By "reliable", do you mean "probable" ?Jester wrote:I'd like to debate based on what is more reliable. I have no objection to using ancient documents. I merely want those who tell me what they say to be able to actually produce a copy of the document for me to read.I AM ALL I AM wrote:If you'd REALLY like to debate using REAL evidence, then let us discuss from experiential knowledge and leave the hearsay evidence behind.
Any document is evidence that someone at some point wrote something. Most classifications of whether it is 'truth' written in the document is based upon a determination of whether what is written is probable or not.
Yet ultimately it is still something that someone at some point wrote down. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a sense, discussing "ancient documents" is simply presenting which documents we have chosen to give a higher probability of 'truth' to the written content. This process doesn't actually make the written content as 'truth' though, no matter which position in the personal hierarchy of probability it has been placed.
Excellent, me too.Jester wrote:I have a great many thoughts on this subject, but this is not our current topic.I AM ALL I AM wrote:I believe that Life surrounds my physicality and that the Sum Totality of Life is ALL THAT IS.

Understood.Jester wrote:I had thought that we were discussing various theories about the origin of the Christian religion, not the comparative strengths of our personal worldviews.I AM ALL I AM wrote:The evidence of this is my experience of Life. Now you can "attempt" to CONvince me of a religious 'reality', yet my experience shows it to be 'fake' from simple observation / experiential knowledge of Life.
I'm actually quite interested in that latter, but would like to stick to the topic for now.
Yet it is what the "historical documents" are evidence of ... that someone at some point wrote something.Jester wrote:I've always considered historical documents real evidence.I AM ALL I AM wrote:So would you really like to debate using real (reality) evidence ?
I don't, however, consider personal experience evidence in a debate because it can't be tested by other parties. As such, yes, I would like to use real evidence, but seem to be defining that term quite differently than the way in which you do.
Personal experience is how you can test out what is stated. If you cannot have a similar experience to what is being described by another, no matter what you do in attempting to duplicate it, then it is likely that what is stated is not a true description of what occurred.
The difference in the way I perceive this might have something to do with the way I view 'trust'. I trust you to be the way you are until you show me otherwise. If you are being truthful in relationship with me, then I will continue to trust you to be that way until you show me that you are not being truthful. Thus the evidence that you present can be 'tested' through my own experience and a recognition of what it is you are being determined ... truthful or dishonest.
Obviously there is more that goes with this, though that can be considered a basic overview.

Here's an example ...
When I stated that Life surrounds my physicality, you can instantly check your own experience and recognise the validity of the statement.
I support the fact that the claim of Tony Bushby is a presentation of hearsay evidence. It was provided for Tareh as I originally stated ...Jester wrote:Regardless, you posted a very lengthy claim about the origins of the Christian religion. Do you wish to support that claim, or retract it?
If the latter, I would be more than happy to discuss this new claim with you.
"Here's some information that you might find useful in expanding upon your "proof" ..."
... simply for his benefit.
Personally, I am more inclined to lean towards an amalgamation of differing viewpoints about the bible story.
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YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
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Greetings!
Until then, I started another topic for discussing the matter of our relative outlooks on life, and left a basic response to your statements. Please reply there regarding that topic.
I did read the rest of your post, but this seems as if you aren't terribly interested in discussing the claims made in the Nexus article. If this is not the case, and you would like to debate the reasons why you lean in the direction that you do, please let me know.I AM ALL I AM wrote:I support the fact that the claim of Tony Bushby is a presentation of hearsay evidence. It was provided for Tareh as I originally stated ...
"Here's some information that you might find useful in expanding upon your "proof" ..."
... simply for his benefit.
Personally, I am more inclined to lean towards an amalgamation of differing viewpoints about the bible story.
Until then, I started another topic for discussing the matter of our relative outlooks on life, and left a basic response to your statements. Please reply there regarding that topic.
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Re: Proof Christianity is fake
Post #45Hi, just passing by and had to comment.Tareh wrote:This is my proof of the fraudulent, and manipulation of the bible, Don’t get me wrong.. I am not against God, Or Jesus. But, I do believe that these stories were manipulated for the purpose of control, which has succeeded greatly, First of all History back’s me up, for my evidence in my cause.. People will see what I write as an attack.. But I see my report as truth, Enlightenment to the lie’s spreaded around the world, I am not attacking you, I only wish to help, First of all, I am an eclectic wiccan, A form of paganism, Eclectic mean’s that I am open to learn as I will.. I do not follow one’s path.. I follow my own, in what I feel is truth. Pagan’s/Wiccan’s have been attacked and prosecuted by Christian’s/Catholic’s for many years. Yet, Little do they know, that their whole religion is a plagiarized version of the pagan religion itself, Many don’t see this.. The holiday’s, Like Christmas, Easter, Halloween, thanksgiving. They were pagan religion’s long before Christianity was in the thought’s of men.. Samhain, Is today’s Halloween, The pagan’s Yule holiday, is Christianity’s Christmas, Which both coincidentally is the same day.. As is Samhain.. Notice the word Yule used.. A very common pagan word, used for Christmas.. It is The Holiday is a celebration for Rebirth and Life.. The Holiday Imbolic, Is today’s groundhog day.. Still..
The Pagan Holiday Eostara is Christian’s easter.. The holiday is a celebration of rebirth.. Which is a coincidence considering it is considered the day that Jesus Rose again.. Our Religion Mabon.. Is Christian’s thanks’ giving.. Which is also a day for giving thanks’..
Now off to another point.. Christian symbol’s.. Christian Symbol’s you see today are also Pagan Symbol’s.. Like the Cross that Jesus died on.. The cross is considered to a pagan, as the Cross of the Zodiac, The circle around the center point of the cross represents the sun.. Which is where the idea, of the son of god. The Fish.. The fish that Jesus drew on the ground, Is also the same symbol used to represent Pagan astrology’s symbol of the ages.. Which in this case, is the age of Pisces, Which we are still in today.
Now, This is where the real proof come’s in. The story of Jesus, Believe it or not, The story of Jesus has been told Thousand’s of year’s before Christian’s Jesus was born, The list of how many people share the same story and same trait’s is seemingly endless.. Which make’s me believe, that there was a man somewhere that has done the same thing has him.. One example of many.. Horus was also born of the virgin Isis , He is the Only Begotten son of Osiris, His Foster father was Seb, Also meaning Jo-seph,
Him and Jesus are of Royal Descent, Both born in a cave, An Angel came to both, and Warned Isis of her virgin birth, 3 king’s came to Jesus following a star to the east, 3 solar deities, Followed a star to the east, to find Horus, Mother Isis was told at the birth of Horus "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.". As Joseph, Father of Jesus was told "Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.". Both were teacher’s at the age of 12, They were both Baptized at the age of 30, Horus Baptized by Anup, as Jesus baptized by John the Baptist, Both Anup, and John were Beheaded. Horus and Jesus both performed many miracles, such as Raising the dead, Water to wine, Walking on water, and many more.. Later He was Betrayed by A close friend and Disciple, To then be crucified and then cast into a tomb.. Both resurrected 3 day’s later, to then later descend into the heaven’s.. Keep in mind, This is only one story that is similar to the story of Jesus.. And also.. Much Much older.. There are so many, it would take entirely too long to go through it all, Although, if you wish to research yourself.. I will list a few name’s… Odin of the Norse, Mithra, Krishna, Gautama a.k.a.Buddha, Attis , Zoroaster, Dionysus, Quetzaloatl, Tammuz, Alestis, Esus, Bel, Bali, Orpheus, Iao and Wittoba.. Keep in mind. .There are many many more..
Now off to God, In the bible, There are mention’s of other God’s which Christianity say’s they are fake, But if you actually listen without a stubborn mind.. it speak’s of other’s.. as if they are real..
“Now I know that the Lord is greater than all other gods, for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.� Exodus 18:11
"You shall have no other gods before me."
Exodus 20:3
"Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips."
Exodus 23:13
"What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him?"
Deuteronomy 4:7
"Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;"
Deuteronomy 6:14
"for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you."
Deuteronomy 7:4
"If you ever forget the Lord your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed."
Deuteronomy 8:19
"Be careful, or you will be enticed to turn away and worship other gods and bow down to them."
Deuteronomy 11:16
"the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known." Deuteronomy 11:28
Anyway.. You get the point.. This list can go on a long time..
Off to God and Zues.. The similarities, Both were very vengeful god’s Loving.. and Destructive and angry..
Both at one point were very angry, Angered at man for their sin’s , Gave up on man.. And chose a select few to build an Ark, Collect animal’s.. and then… Flooded the earth. As for a different story, but yet the same.. God Sent Noah to build his ark, and Gilgamesh sent Untapishtim, Both Flood’s were global, both were for the punishment of man’s sin’s, Both were Sent by God/God’s, both build a boat, and both complained, both had at least one window, both held animals, It rained heavily for both of them..
They both released bird’s to find land.
On to Corruption, Control.. And Lie's.. Used for control nation's.. Also used as conversion..
Do you remember Constantine of Rome? He was once a Pagan, Turned to a Christian..
He pulled a stunt very clever.. A tactic of Conversion.. Considering that Constantine had turned to Christian, He knew that most of his follower's were Pagan, To help his follower's and other's become christian, He made up christian holiday's on the same date's as Pagan Holiday's, Which would eventually turn everyone into a Christian. Also Back then.. A pope declared Pagan's as servant's to the devil.. Because of his Status and power, Claiming that God claimed so.. It would be easy for him kill and convert.. He killed Innocent people because of their religion, And still today, it Is still taught in church.. They claim everything about Us is evil.. We serve the devil.. And practice black magic.. Yet.. Many do not know a single thing of my religion, but that it is the devil.. The pentagram, Or Pentacle, Is a sacred symbol of a pagan, It stand's for many thing's.. Nothing to do with evil, not one bit.. The star is a representation of the element's, and also a portrayal of the human body.. The circle is a representation of the shape of the earth, and also a wall of protection around the human body.., It is a holy symbol used by pagan's as protection from evil.. Some ask.. Why does it look like the satanist pentagram? Well.. That is because they stole it from us Wiccan's.. They stole our symbol and stuck it upside down.. Their's represent's a bull with horn's..
We have nothing to do with them and their practice's.. Anyway's on with what I was saying,
The bible is a great weapon, A scare tactic to control, An example is Jonestown.. The man who used this scare tactic to lead so many into a trap.. Then eventually led to a mass suicide.. Thousand's of year's war's fought to claim that their God is the true God, Between Muslim, The Hare Krishna's, Christian's and Catholic's.. Still to this day.. this war is still going.. So much bloodshed, over who's book is right.. It's nonsense.. And after thousand's of year's nothing is changing.. Ever thought that nobody will give up? That you are fighting a war that cant be won? Maybe thought... Wow.. Think of all the live's... For nothing.. They use this tactic to get you to fight war's, for a cause they make up.. For example.. The Taliban, So many go on suicide missions in believe of great reward to do so.. And yet, What is this battle really for? To kill all Infidel's? Why Should I kill all Infidel's? Well.. Because god will give you lot's of women.. You see my point? The man who wrote this is now your master.. You are his slave, and you dont know it.. The book's of the bible.. There are so many book's of the bible, and yet so many did not make it.. They were burned by pope's, to Simply make Jesus and God look more pure... They were Edited, to gain control over Man.. Think about it.. What make's a book found by the pope.. and chosen by the pope, to be any more correct than any other book's found in Ancient time's.. So.. The pope say's they are fake.. and You dont take any consideration that maybe.. This is real? The book's back then were in consideration at one point.. For example... The Dead Sea Scroll's.. Older than the actual bible, These were carried by Men who were fleeing from people trying to kill them off.. These were the book's the Islam's considered the Bible back in those time's.. But Christian's today see them as blasphemy.. As a Lie... Ever wonder why they are so Defensive to this? Because it break's off their control.. Anyone who believe's these thing's are free from their hand's.. They dont like that..
Another Scare tactic I will address.. Hell.. That word is so powerful, Probably the most powerful word in the world.. It is easy to convert someone who is afraid of eternal burning and torture, But then the Bible Addresses free will.. But really how much free will is in, Burn in hell, Or Live in paradise in the heaven's.. Only a fool would choose hell.. So... if you want to go to heaven, Believe in god, Accept Jesus into your heart, Serve his wishes, Become like him, and you will go to heaven.. Not a bad deal, Not a bad deal at all.. Cant see much wrong with that. That is a statement most cant turn down. Then, That give's your pastor power.. Dont get me wrong, I am NOT saying that all Christian's are evil.. Majority of Christian's are the nicest people on earth, Also some of the meanest! I know many great Pastor's with a great and pure cause.. These people do great thing's for the world.. Then you Have the guy who know's what kind of control he can get.. Money, Church Offering's.. Offer your money to god, then you see your pastor with some fancy Jewelry, Some fancy clothe's, and He is telling you, this money is going to Africa, and show's a picture of a white man and some Happy African's... I am a Man that believe's believe's that the greatest of all evil, Will present itself holy and pure.. And That Evil will bring the greatest of people with it, and use their good heart for it's will..
I do not believe in the word perfect, Because it is impossible, no god, man, or being can be perfect..
A good example is God himself, and all of us.. Even the best of us.. He does thing's that are strangely... Human... Murder, Lie's Desciet.. But he also has his loving side.. As all of us do.. We are all capable of Evil.. and Good... We are not to be judged on our past, but what we are now.. and the future of ourselves to come.. Though, I know most will see what I write, and Claim me evil, They will acuse me of assault, Lie's, Desceit.. But know, This is some information I have kept to myself for so long, because I was afraid of what those would say of me.. Thing's that may happen.. But the truth is.. This may be a School assignment, But this is also for the world, I could keep this to myself and let those be blind and controlled, But that would be selfish, This is something I give as a Gift, To help free you, Not hurt you, Those who have read this with an open mind, can not deny what I am saying, But those with a closed mind, likely stopped reading this a while back, Or are thinking of way's to prove me wrong.. and By all means! Do So! I seek the truth! Again, this does not prove god, or Jesus fake, But show's that the bible is fake, Their Story is real, why else would their be so many different versions? Somewhere in all these story's and myth's has to have truth somewhere..
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I do not follow one’s path.. I follow my own, in what I feel is truth.
There was never 3 kings that visited Jesus. You should do better research.3 king’s came to Jesus following a star to the east
Maybe more later..........have a nice day merry meet and stuff.