Right now..Lawless Days of Prophecy?

[nzlaws]

International examples of corruption, crime, etc include Nations perceived to be the least corrupt - what conclusions do theological observers come to based upon this amateur observation of evidence?

And more importantly what is the likely response from organised religions to this reality or how much worse before evidence quantifies prophecy?

I have worked a little in the mental health arena some years ago and am aware of the number of confused individuals that believe that they are "Jesus" and seen the organised Christian response to this (medication) so the likelihood of the real "Christ" Identifying himself to any religion in real time would be rather slim.

I personally suspect that saving the Planet from humanities stupidity would be Christs first goal in serving God- "This would require a new form of Government"... if not the solution then I am open to being impressed- are there any other thoughts on another possible methodology for saving the environment for Life that God provided

I see concepts of ownership as being the biggest hurdle - but couldn't find anywhere in the bible where ownership was transferred to the occupants- be it the family of mankind or the other families- all of which are Gods Creations- "Domain over" does not suggest or confer Disposition but rather highlights the difference between Stewardship and Ownership- one of these concepts does not include Disposition...

Come on folk enlighten me- Where are religions going? over and over the same ground year after year? what is new on the horizon- communications have evolved in the last few years- from this we can grow (am I wrong?).

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Alright, I've been quite polite throughout, but I believe I need to be more assertive.

That was a rant. This debate is clearly over - I have no interest in someone who wishes to insult me, respond to my points with 'LOL', and degrade the human race as a whole - the discussion is clearly not worth my time.

Oh sorry, i realise some people prefer not to have their idealistic bubbles popped. Are you offended because i don't see the world through your humans will make everything perfect rose colored glasses? Reality bites hey. Reality is bitter and sad.

however, there are a couple things that ought to be made clear.

Nickleback donated 100% of the proceeds from that single and that video to Amnesty International and International Childrens Awareness Canada. (For more on their charity work and contributions, follow this link: http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/2036-nickelback )
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but there are good people in the world.

LOL Sorry to prick your bubble again. What percentage of the money donated to Amnesty International and International Childrens Awareness Canada actually gets into the hands of the people that need it? Guess what, Not much. Most of that money goes into another slush fund where the corrupt pigs that run such organization can get free international holidays and build their own bureaucratic empires. Most NGO's are nothing but employment for people who live their lives stealing donated money out of the mouths of the desperately poor who the money was intended for.

Perhaps we should focus on making more of them rather than on bringing everyone down? The arguments you make on this site seem far more destructive than constructive.

The arguments i make are designed to bring others to the realisation of their own condition and the condition of the world and the type of people who are leading us and it down the path to both Physical and Moral destruction. But as i see many people have too much pride in their nations, their leaders, their culture and are greatly offended when their world view is challenged.

Stop looking at the world through rose coloured glasses.

Now this comment...this is one that I have great issue with. Now, my life is not material, and your comment is against the rules and will thus be reported, but despite being 23, I have lived through harder things than many people twice my age. I have been made disturbingly aware that this is not a nice world. I am aware of harsh realities that you most likely are not. to assume that I look at the world through rose colored classes is not only extremely presumptuous, but quite incorrect.

What?? You say you know how bad this world is, but when i start stating how bad this world is you get all offended?? Yes i am very aware this world is not nice and i could go on and on giving even worse examples of just how flawed humanity is and what a pack of evil wolves we are ruled by. You reply with a idealistic "we can save the world" and post a starry eyed mushroom song.

Tell you what, i am insulted. How dare you insult my intelligence by push that vain human worshipping propaganda upon me. Don't treat me like a moron and expect platitudes in reply.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

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Awww Thats a nice sentiment there Clownboat, But don't feel too sad for me cause i have factored in all this into the eternal equation. I am an eternal winner and my cupeth is full to overflowing. I know how things are going to end. Thats the good news that fills me with joy absolute.

Looking at my age now i am pretty sure i am already past half way in my life. So i can see the light at the end of the tunnel. From what i see happening in the world i would say i am four fifths through the tunnel.

I can understand why an atheist would be depressed. But not me. I'm excited.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

You only think you know how things will end, you do not have any special knowledge the escapes the rest of us. I would ask you for evidence, but I already know that it is un-knowable (what happens to us when we die that is).

Why would an atheist be depressed? Like I pointed out, you are the one with a defeated, glass half empty attitude about the world we live in. Hugs for you.

Well wether atheists get depressed or not is in their court. Of course as many atheists have told me, "this life is all we got so we better make the most of it" So what happens to an atheist when they pass middle age and they realise this world is not going to turn into a utopia and there dreams are not going to be fulfilled? You got it major depression. They end up very bitter old people. filled with hate and contempt for themselves and their fellow man, because of their personal and their societies failure to live up to the dream. When an atheist realises gravity is a delusion because this world actually sucks, there is nothing left for them, No eternal life, No hope for a better existence. All they can see is a disappointing life then Nothing. But for Christians who know what this world is all about, they can look with joyful hope for eternity with God

It's possible that you need to think you have this certainty in order for you to deal with your own depression (or discomforts about unknown questions) and it makes sense as to why you would want to assign said depression to atheist.

But i am assured thats the thing. I am 10 ft tall and bullet proof, even if i am living in a hovel and half starved. My Peace of mind is not linked to achieving something in this world or securing my physical future. My idealism is safe with God, not founded on myself or some political system or some world leader. Now as i said before wether some atheists are depressed or not makes no difference to my state of mind in this world, Or my beliefs.

I totally understand how thinking you know what will happen to you when you die would be comforting, and I understand why it becomes a necessity to have such a belief in order to deal with reality (especially in the later years of ones life).

I'm glad that you feel like an eternal winner and that you feel like your cup is overflowing all because you have decided that you picked the correct religion to follow.

Thanks I hope you also come to know the peace and confidence i have with Jesus. It is very liberating.

John 8
36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[nzlaws]

Look what Australia is doing to you Adstar it is projecting apathy- it could not possibly be you- just must be someone else? - (you might like to accuse me of cherry picking... I will save time and admit to doing so).

The continent of my birth has nothing to do with my beliefs. I believe what i believe because of the Word of God. Australia is nation ruled unbelievers, hey our prime minister is an atheist. I am in this country but it is spiritually a foreign land to me.

Perhaps- But Apathy was the point to this paragraph and the projection of

As to your comment in there about the "powers that be" it might be worth actually considering that those "powers that be" are really only positions of trust (not power)

I do not trust human beings. I trust in God. The general population may trust. (and speaking to and living with australians for all my life i can say that most of them look at politicians as pig with their corrupt snouts in the trough. Of course there is always an idealistic young generation coming up easy to brain wash. I see them walking around on australia day half pissed with australian flags on their backs. More fresh meat for the elites grinder.

Nevertheless you did make the comment referring to the "powers that be"- and my response related to general trust (influenced of course by the media)
Your comment about the pigs is an insult to all pigs- and not all of the youngsters are gullible many are keen to learn and some are quick to spot nonsense.

although they are empowered by that trust to act (on behalf) in accordance with that trust (optimism?).

No, gullabeism. Or mushroomism. Or even pawnism. Take your pick.

I choose lack of honour if acting outside of the parameters set by the trust

If God did magically create a utopia he would have to trust fallible mankind not to stuff it up again?

No because with the establishment of His Utopia He will change Human beings into Utopian Human beings.

Two things come to mind here
1/- God is going to directly tamper with Mankind's Free Will
2/- God has got some really strong drugs in his arsenal

But I don't believe either of these choices are near to accurate and I do not believe God will build your utopia- I do however believe that there is a course or path that we can choose- that would lead to growth and balance perhaps even utopia/(a lot of work required) but I very much doubt that this could be achieved via corrupted political or business associations

"But sooner or later the number of those that will believe shall be reached and then God will take direct control"..."More like a Number of those who will be killed for their belief, when that number is reached then the end shall come"

I am not quite sure if you intended this to look like you are contradicting yourself on that earlier post-but it appears to me to be bordering upon that.

Did it occur to you that the "numbers" are required to empower a trust associated with proposed remedies and that the intention was to use that trust to promote a specific path?

Not sure what point you are making here. Anyway God is not dependant on getting a majority of support from the human population. Oh a thought just came into my head, are you a believer in the doctrine that states that Christians must dominate the world to bring about the right conditions for the return of the Messiah? Is that what the above quote is about?

Actually No that is not what the above quote was about- You suggested to another member that they should learn from history- well history is still being written- coming from the middle east is a unprecedented but determined move toward Democracy- while I agree there is currently no good model of democracy I suggest that democracy does project that the people have a choice or the ability to exercise God given? Free Will.

The link below displays another methodology for democracy to achieve results outside of the conventional - without the stink of politics- Although found within a political forum it appears more of a legal challenge to conventional politics

http://www.nzpolitics.com/new-zealand-p ... aster.html

Although-It could be that-
Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

This is another link that focuses upon the same type of discussion
http://www.nzboards.com/news-views-and- ... two-91770/

In each case the author has a similar distaste for current man made authority as yourself - maybe for similar reasons? (iniquity- replacing equity)
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[nzlaws]

Look what Australia is doing to you Adstar it is projecting apathy- it could not possibly be you- just must be someone else? - (you might like to accuse me of cherry picking... I will save time and admit to doing so).

The continent of my birth has nothing to do with my beliefs. I believe what i believe because of the Word of God. Australia is nation ruled unbelievers, hey our prime minister is an atheist. I am in this country but it is spiritually a foreign land to me.

Perhaps- But Apathy was the point to this paragraph and the projection of

As to your comment in there about the "powers that be" it might be worth actually considering that those "powers that be" are really only positions of trust (not power)

I do not trust human beings. I trust in God. The general population may trust. (and speaking to and living with australians for all my life i can say that most of them look at politicians as pig with their corrupt snouts in the trough. Of course there is always an idealistic young generation coming up easy to brain wash. I see them walking around on australia day half pissed with australian flags on their backs. More fresh meat for the elites grinder.

Nevertheless you did make the comment referring to the "powers that be"- and my response related to general trust (influenced of course by the media)
Your comment about the pigs is an insult to all pigs- and not all of the youngsters are gullible many are keen to learn and some are quick to spot nonsense.

although they are empowered by that trust to act (on behalf) in accordance with that trust (optimism?).

No, gullabeism. Or mushroomism. Or even pawnism. Take your pick.

I choose lack of honour if acting outside of the parameters set by the trust

If God did magically create a utopia he would have to trust fallible mankind not to stuff it up again?

No because with the establishment of His Utopia He will change Human beings into Utopian Human beings.

Two things come to mind here
1/- God is going to directly tamper with Mankind's Free Will
2/- God has got some really strong drugs in his arsenal

But I don't believe either of these choices are near to accurate and I do not believe God will build your utopia- I do however believe that there is a course or path that we can choose- that would lead to growth and balance perhaps even utopia/(a lot of work required) but I very much doubt that this could be achieved via corrupted political or business associations

"But sooner or later the number of those that will believe shall be reached and then God will take direct control"..."More like a Number of those who will be killed for their belief, when that number is reached then the end shall come"

I am not quite sure if you intended this to look like you are contradicting yourself on that earlier post-but it appears to me to be bordering upon that.

Did it occur to you that the "numbers" are required to empower a trust associated with proposed remedies and that the intention was to use that trust to promote a specific path?

Not sure what point you are making here. Anyway God is not dependant on getting a majority of support from the human population. Oh a thought just came into my head, are you a believer in the doctrine that states that Christians must dominate the world to bring about the right conditions for the return of the Messiah? Is that what the above quote is about?

Actually No that is not what the above quote was about- You suggested to another member that they should learn from history- well history is still being written- coming from the middle east is a unprecedented but determined move toward Democracy- while I agree there is currently no good model of democracy I suggest that democracy does project that the people have a choice or the ability to exercise God given? Free Will.

The link below displays another methodology for democracy to achieve results outside of the conventional - without the stink of politics- Although found within a political forum it appears more of a legal challenge to conventional politics

http://www.nzpolitics.com/new-zealand-p ... aster.html

Although-It could be that-
Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

This is another link that focuses upon the same type of discussion
http://www.nzboards.com/news-views-and- ... two-91770/

In each case the author has a similar distaste for current man made authority as yourself - maybe for similar reasons? (iniquity- replacing equity)

It may well prove of benefit to all "Humans" that Infrastructure (which they are reliant upon) is owned by those "Humans" rather than the current practice of enabling a minority to be able to milk the whole Herd?(your elites?)
Note the suggestion provides a goal that all can share benefit from rather than promoting a leader- (goals can last longer)

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Well the world has been corrupt for a very long time. So nothing has changed there. Of course the widespread breakdown in Law and Order in many parts of the world and the rise of extreme violence is all prophesised for the times near the return of the Messiah Jesus. So seeking all this is no surprise, we have been told it would come. Of course what you see now is nothing compared to how things are going to be in a few years time.

Yes, the world has had its share of corruption from the beginning, which is no surprise given the popularity of religions that attempt to excuse and justify all manner of bad behavior in the name of some 'God'.

I doubt if human behavior is any worse now than it ever was, or any better. Bad behavior and violence might seem more prevalent by virtue of the internet and the means available to photograph, record and verify events.

[Flail]

Well the world has been corrupt for a very long time. So nothing has changed there. Of course the widespread breakdown in Law and Order in many parts of the world and the rise of extreme violence is all prophesised for the times near the return of the Messiah Jesus. So seeking all this is no surprise, we have been told it would come. Of course what you see now is nothing compared to how things are going to be in a few years time.

Yes, the world has had its share of corruption from the beginning, which is no surprise given the popularity of religions that attempt to excuse and justify all manner of bad behavior in the name of some 'God'.

I doubt if human behavior is any worse now than it ever was, or any better. Bad behavior and violence might seem more prevalent by virtue of the internet and the means available to photograph, record and verify events.

[Frankly]

Well the world has been corrupt for a very long time. So nothing has changed there. Of course the widespread breakdown in Law and Order in many parts of the world and the rise of extreme violence is all prophesised for the times near the return of the Messiah Jesus. So seeking all this is no surprise, we have been told it would come. Of course what you see now is nothing compared to how things are going to be in a few years time.

Yes, the world has had its share of corruption from the beginning, which is no surprise given the popularity of religions that attempt to excuse and justify all manner of bad behavior in the name of some 'God'.

I doubt if human behavior is any worse now than it ever was, or any better. Bad behavior and violence might seem more prevalent by virtue of the internet and the means available to photograph, record and verify events.

You make a very valid point here- But to offset your point slightly we now also have an enormously increased general population- mostly concentrated in cities that cannot produce food requirements to feed those populations. And a lot of natural resources are now under real pressure
These Cities are usually built upon the best horticultural land and they soon spread consuming more and more- so restricting food production to areas that are less productive without (sometimes) considerable supplements- while pollution of the oceans and commercial fishing has seriously effected that environment for life.

Simultaneously the planets natural air conditioning is being stripped (Trees)-
Because most of these changes have occurred over a very short time in the history of this planet starting about 300 years ago - it is very difficult to determine the outcomes of this escalating problem- professional analysis is usually influenced by Corporate desire- (so the truth can be a stranger there)

Extremes in weather patterns is probably just one of the consequences - but the truth is very simple really... We Humans are like a Parasite that destroys the Host - with or without the attention of the corporate media harlot

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Well the world has been corrupt for a very long time. So nothing has changed there. Of course the widespread breakdown in Law and Order in many parts of the world and the rise of extreme violence is all prophesised for the times near the return of the Messiah Jesus. So seeking all this is no surprise, we have been told it would come. Of course what you see now is nothing compared to how things are going to be in a few years time.

I doubt if human behavior is any worse now than it ever was, or any better. Bad behavior and violence might seem more prevalent by virtue of the internet and the means available to photograph, record and verify events.

Thank you.

Yes thats it. thats what i have been trying to say for a while now. Human beings have never shaken off their built in flaws and no perfect system or utopia will ever come into being while people suffer from these flaws.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Adstar]

Look what Australia is doing to you Adstar it is projecting apathy- it could not possibly be you- just must be someone else? - (you might like to accuse me of cherry picking... I will save time and admit to doing so).

The continent of my birth has nothing to do with my beliefs. I believe what i believe because of the Word of God. Australia is nation ruled unbelievers, hey our prime minister is an atheist. I am in this country but it is spiritually a foreign land to me.

Perhaps- But Apathy was the point to this paragraph and the projection of

I don't see Australians as being any more or less apathetic than any other nation in the world.

As to your comment in there about the "powers that be" it might be worth actually considering that those "powers that be" are really only positions of trust (not power)

I do not trust human beings. I trust in God. The general population may trust. (and speaking to and living with australians for all my life i can say that most of them look at politicians as pig with their corrupt snouts in the trough. Of course there is always an idealistic young generation coming up easy to brain wash. I see them walking around on australia day half pissed with australian flags on their backs. More fresh meat for the elites grinder.

Nevertheless you did make the comment referring to the "powers that be"- and my response related to general trust (influenced of course by the media)
Your comment about the pigs is an insult to all pigs- and not all of the youngsters are gullible many are keen to learn and some are quick to spot nonsense.

Only a few are quick to Spot nonsense. Some take many years of experiancing life to come to see the nonsense. Some never see the noinsense but prefer the sence of security in being part of the system. As the old saying goes you carn't fool all the people all the time, but the alites know as long as you fool the majority there momentum will steamroll the minority.

If God did magically create a utopia he would have to trust fallible mankind not to stuff it up again?

No because with the establishment of His Utopia He will change Human beings into Utopian Human beings.

Two things come to mind here
1/- God is going to directly tamper with Mankind's Free Will
2/- God has got some really strong drugs in his arsenal

Well yes God is going to alter our makeup. He is going to make us incredably wise so that we do what is good and avoid want is bad because we will want to do that. We will finaly be able to live as utopian beings in a utopia.

No need for drugs if you have been placed on a natural high

But I don't believe either of these choices are near to accurate and I do not believe God will build your utopia-

Well thats a statement of faith.

I do however believe that there is a course or path that we can choose- that would lead to growth and balance perhaps even utopia/(a lot of work required) but I very much doubt that this could be achieved via corrupted political or business associations

And the elites who farm humanity are relying on a continuious supply of that kind of human being.

"But sooner or later the number of those that will believe shall be reached and then God will take direct control"..."More like a Number of those who will be killed for their belief, when that number is reached then the end shall come"

I am not quite sure if you intended this to look like you are contradicting yourself on that earlier post-but it appears to me to be bordering upon that.

How am i contradicting myself?

Did it occur to you that the "numbers" are required to empower a trust associated with proposed remedies and that the intention was to use that trust to promote a specific path?

Not sure what point you are making here. Anyway God is not dependant on getting a majority of support from the human population. Oh a thought just came into my head, are you a believer in the doctrine that states that Christians must dominate the world to bring about the right conditions for the return of the Messiah? Is that what the above quote is about?

Actually No that is not what the above quote was about- You suggested to another member that they should learn from history- well history is still being written- coming from the middle east is a unprecedented but determined move toward Democracy- while I agree there is currently no good model of democracy I suggest that democracy does project that the people have a choice or the ability to exercise God given? Free Will.

Ahhh the middle east move to democracy, forgive me while my eyes roll out the back of my head.

No the desire for democracy and the naivety of the youth are being used to remove the old guard of puppets for a new set of thugs.

Remember how the good old Egyptian army stayed neutral until they shunted the old mubarak out. They stayed on the outside of that square letting the protests precede. Now with mubarak out of the way and another general in command things change. Only last week from memory they rolled into the square and brutally removed the same protesters they once protected. Why? Because the good little mushrooms have served their purpose, now that mubark is out and the new thug is in it is time to slap down the naive youth and teach them their place.

I propose something; lets come back and review the situation in the middle east in 2 years time. I an supremely confident that there will be be a new batch of dictators using the same secret police methods to keep their lower classes in check.

The link below displays another methodology for democracy to achieve results outside of the conventional - without the stink of politics- Although found within a political forum it appears more of a legal challenge to conventional politics

http://www.nzpolitics.com/new-zealand-p ... aster.html

Although-It could be that-
Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

This is another link that focuses upon the same type of discussion
http://www.nzboards.com/news-views-and- ... two-91770/

In each case the author has a similar distaste for current man made authority as yourself - maybe for similar reasons? (iniquity- replacing equity)

It may well prove of benefit to all "Humans" that Infrastructure (which they are reliant upon) is owned by those "Humans" rather than the current practice of enabling a minority to be able to milk the whole Herd?(your elites?)
Note the suggestion provides a goal that all can share benefit from rather than promoting a leader- (goals can last longer)

Ahh communism, guess what China and Vietnam are communist countries and their slave class works for the elites harder and with less privileges then the western salves do.


All Praise The Ancient of Days


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[nzlaws]

I don't see Australians as being any more or less apathetic than any other nation in the world.

Neither do I- its just that you were running out of excuses for your apathetic approach to reality- but the projections were yours.

Nevertheless you did make the comment referring to the "powers that be"- and my response related to general trust (influenced of course by the media)
Your comment about the pigs is an insult to all pigs- and not all of the youngsters are gullible many are keen to learn and some are quick to spot nonsense.

Only a few are quick to Spot nonsense. Some take many years of experiancing life to come to see the nonsense. Some never see the noinsense but prefer the sence of security in being part of the system. As the old saying goes you carn't fool all the people all the time, but the alites know as long as you fool the majority there momentum will steamroll the minority.

And you have just exhibited that some prefer the sense of security of being able to misinterpret or interpret ancient scriptures in such a manner as to excuse doing nothing while admonishing those that would choose to make honest attempts with these primitive and naive hopes and aspirations that God is going to clean up the mess while some elites privileged to benefit from the reconstruction get to stand by and watch?... Yes this is one nonsense that is easy to spot

If God did magically create a utopia he would have to trust fallible mankind not to stuff it up again?

No because with the establishment of His Utopia He will change Human beings into Utopian Human beings.

Two things come to mind here
1/- God is going to directly tamper with Mankind's Free Will
2/- God has got some really strong drugs in his arsenal

Well yes God is going to alter our makeup. He is going to make us incredably wise so that we do what is good and avoid want is bad because we will want to do that. We will finaly be able to live as utopian beings in a utopia.
No need for drugs if you have been placed on a natural high

We should presume that your high is natural then?

But I don't believe either of these choices are near to accurate and I do not believe God will build your utopia-

Well thats a statement of faith.

Go-figure

I do however believe that there is a course or path that we can choose- that would lead to growth and balance perhaps even utopia/(a lot of work required) but I very much doubt that this could be achieved via corrupted political or business associations

And the elites who farm humanity are relying on a continuious supply of that kind of human being.

While religions farm the continuous supply of individuals seeking a path by filling them with false or preposterous hopes- sounds to me like your "elites" work closer than you acknowledge with religions

"But sooner or later the number of those that will believe shall be reached and then God will take direct control"..."More like a Number of those who will be killed for their belief, when that number is reached then the end shall come"

I am not quite sure if you intended this to look like you are contradicting yourself on that earlier post-but it appears to me to be bordering upon that.

How am i contradicting myself?

No comment

Did it occur to you that the "numbers" are required to empower a trust associated with proposed remedies and that the intention was to use that trust to promote a specific path?

Not sure what point you are making here. Anyway God is not dependant on getting a majority of support from the human population. Oh a thought just came into my head, are you a believer in the doctrine that states that Christians must dominate the world to bring about the right conditions for the return of the Messiah? Is that what the above quote is about?

Actually No that is not what the above quote was about- You suggested to another member that they should learn from history- well history is still being written- coming from the middle east is a unprecedented but determined move toward Democracy- while I agree there is currently no good model of democracy I suggest that democracy does project that the people have a choice or the ability to exercise God given? Free Will.[/quote]

Ahhh the middle east move to democracy, forgive me while my eyes roll out the back of my head.

Sure go for it- I have already presumed that your high is natural rather than drug induced?

No the desire for democracy and the naivety of the youth are being used to remove the old guard of puppets for a new set of thugs.

However the problems in the middle east are resolved the fact is that there was an overwhelming vote for freedom of choice- as always there is coexistent a desire to control.

Remember how the good old Egyptian army stayed neutral until they shunted the old mubarak out. They stayed on the outside of that square letting the protests precede. Now with mubarak out of the way and another general in command things change. Only last week from memory they rolled into the square and brutally removed the same protesters they once protected. Why? Because the good little mushrooms have served their purpose, now that mubark is out and the new thug is in it is time to slap down the naive youth and teach them their place.

The middle east drive for democracy is not restricted to egypt- but your observation there appears (for now) to be near accurate.

I propose something; lets come back and review the situation in the middle east in 2 years time. I an supremely confident that there will be be a new batch of dictators using the same secret police methods to keep their lower classes in check.

So you are not expecting God to build your utopia in the next couple of years then?

The link below displays another methodology for democracy to achieve results outside of the conventional - without the stink of politics- Although found within a political forum it appears more of a legal challenge to conventional politics

http://www.nzpolitics.com/new-zealand-p ... aster.html

Although-It could be that-
Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

This is another link that focuses upon the same type of discussion
http://www.nzboards.com/news-views-and- ... two-91770/

In each case the author has a similar distaste for current man made authority as yourself - maybe for similar reasons? (iniquity- replacing equity)

It may well prove of benefit to all "Humans" that Infrastructure (which they are reliant upon) is owned by those "Humans" rather than the current practice of enabling a minority to be able to milk the whole Herd?(your elites?)
Note the suggestion provides a goal that all can share benefit from rather than promoting a leader- (goals can last longer)

Ahh communism, guess what China and Vietnam are communist countries and their slave class works for the elites harder and with less privileges then the western salves do.

Pathetic Adstar just Pathetic - how can anyone take you seriously- New Zealand has never been a communist country and yet the people did invest in their infrastructure which was managed by ministries- (unfortunately too closely associated with Governance)- Privatisation/laundering of those assets was done without a mandate from those investors by a corrupt minority that penned into creation artificial legal? identities to so conceal and transfer those invested interests. That pre-existing legislation defined this as being a Crime (money laundering) has been overlooked entirely but this is probably due to the same minority being in positions that influence applications of the law intended to provide Justice-
[Proverbs 1 19 So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.] -
Are you suggesting that this was not a criminal act? but rather it is communism when some of the investors in the properties wants it back? - (A screw loose in that "I" socket?)but I suspect that every investor in property has reasonable rights and expectations/interests in regard to that property- very few of which are political (when you turn your light on at night do you seek political approval?)

Any Democracy perceived to be of the people for the people - that has not ensured that those People (that invest in and rely upon infrastructure) do not own that infrastructure lack honour -
[Proverbs 1
2To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

3To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;]

How could anyone in their right mind confuse the potential of a democratic choice to fulfill the explicit intentions of legislature with such as Communism?- upon which biblical reference would you like to place that bit of nonsensical baggage?