Whats wrong in Christianity?

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I hope that you know that Christian originally meant discipline of Jesus. According to what Jesus says, true discipline of Jesus is person who remain in words that he said (John 8:31). Are todays Christians truly disciplines of Jesus? Do they keep words that Jesus said? Are they following somebody else than Jesus? Do they even know who they are following or who they should follow?

I doubt because theres so much teaching that I think is against what Jesus said. If Christian doesnt mean today discipline of Jesus, theres no problem if peoples understand that. But if Christian still means discipline of Jesus, theres much wrong in Christian world that all Christians should know. Following things are parts that are wrong in Christianity, in my opinion, but what do you say, are those really mistakes? What do you think, do I understand Bible correctly?

Trinity, when it means three God or that Jesus is God, may be the greatest mistake in Christianity because Jesus didnt say that he is God. Jesus said theres only one God (Mark 12:29, John. 5:44, John. 17:3) that is greater than him (John 14:28). So, how there can be Christians that believe more than one God or that Jesus is God, when according to what Jesus himself says thats not true? Trinity is quite bad mistake, because greatest commandment in Old and New Testament is love one and only God more than anything. Reason why many believe against what Jesus teaches is that New Testament is wrongly interpreted. In Bible there are parts that can be interpreted so that Jesus is God. However those parts dont mean that Jesus is God. Many make that mistake because God can be seen in Jesus, because Jesus says God words and do his works as Jesus says (John. 12:49-48, John. 14:10, John. 5:36). Gods words and works are not from Jesus but from God thats why Jesus himself is not God but Gods dwelling.

Trinity leads us to another mistake in Christianity. If one says Jesus is God himself, he shouldnt make pictures of him, because God has forbidden it in Ten Commandments. This is one mistake in common Christianity and its sad that many Christians dont know it or dont care. But now that you know it, dont do pictures of Jesus if you believe he is God.

Ministers or priests are also one thing that are against Jesus words and therefore wrong thing in Christianity. Jesus said that his disciples should all be equal and they should have only one God and only one master or teacher, Jesus (Mat. 23:1-12). Some Catholics even says their priests fathers, although Jesus directly forbids it in Mat. 23:1-12.

Also prohibition to marriage is against Bible (First Epistle to Timothy 4:1-3). But this mistake is mainly in Catholic Church not in whole Christian world.

As a brief conclusion it can be said that true disciplines of Jesus can be recognized for that they remain in Jesus words. This means, if someone teaches something that is against it, discipline abandons it and dont abandon words that Jesus said. Thats the first thing. Another hallmark is that disciplines love each other as Jesus teaches. If you want to be discipline of Jesus study what he teaches and keep his words.

And why these mistakes are so bad? Thats because there is same kind of promise of life like there is in that covenant that God made through Moses. If Jews love God and keep his words they shall live and have many blessings. If they dont they will have many sufferings and eventually they will perish, if they dont turn back to God and love him and keep his words as it is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Same thing pertain words that Jesus said. Jesus said his words are for life (John 6:63). If you leave them you also leave life. And as you can notice in Covenant that is made through Jesus and the one that is made trough Moses, most important commandment is to love God (The only God) more than anything (Deuteronomy 6:5 (Exodus 20:6) , Mat. 22:36-38). If you love God you keep his commandments. If you study what has happened to Jews in their long history, you should understand how serious thing it is to abandon God when you have accepted his Covenant as many Christians have although it seems that many of them dont understand that they have accepted some Covenant that God made through Jesus.

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I hope that you know that Christian originally meant discipline of Jesus. According to what Jesus says, true discipline of Jesus is person who remain in words that he said (John 8:31). Are todays Christians truly disciplines of Jesus? Do they keep words that Jesus said? Are they following somebody else than Jesus? Do they even know who they are following or who they should follow?

I doubt because theres so much teaching that I think is against what Jesus said. If Christian doesnt mean today discipline of Jesus, theres no problem if peoples understand that. But if Christian still means discipline of Jesus, theres much wrong in Christian world that all Christians should know. Following things are parts that are wrong in Christianity, in my opinion, but what do you say, are those really mistakes? What do you think, do I understand Bible correctly?

Trinity, when it means three God or that Jesus is God, may be the greatest mistake in Christianity because Jesus didnt say that he is God. Jesus said theres only one God (Mark 12:29, John. 5:44, John. 17:3) that is greater than him (John 14:28). So, how there can be Christians that believe more than one God or that Jesus is God, when according to what Jesus himself says thats not true? Trinity is quite bad mistake, because greatest commandment in Old and New Testament is love one and only God more than anything. Reason why many believe against what Jesus teaches is that New Testament is wrongly interpreted. In Bible there are parts that can be interpreted so that Jesus is God. However those parts dont mean that Jesus is God. Many make that mistake because God can be seen in Jesus, because Jesus says God words and do his works as Jesus says (John. 12:49-48, John. 14:10, John. 5:36). Gods words and works are not from Jesus but from God thats why Jesus himself is not God but Gods dwelling.

Trinity leads us to another mistake in Christianity. If one says Jesus is God himself, he shouldnt make pictures of him, because God has forbidden it in Ten Commandments. This is one mistake in common Christianity and its sad that many Christians dont know it or dont care. But now that you know it, dont do pictures of Jesus if you believe he is God.

Ministers or priests are also one thing that are against Jesus words and therefore wrong thing in Christianity. Jesus said that his disciples should all be equal and they should have only one God and only one master or teacher, Jesus (Mat. 23:1-12). Some Catholics even says their priests fathers, although Jesus directly forbids it in Mat. 23:1-12.

Also prohibition to marriage is against Bible (First Epistle to Timothy 4:1-3). But this mistake is mainly in Catholic Church not in whole Christian world.

As a brief conclusion it can be said that true disciplines of Jesus can be recognized for that they remain in Jesus words. This means, if someone teaches something that is against it, discipline abandons it and dont abandon words that Jesus said. Thats the first thing. Another hallmark is that disciplines love each other as Jesus teaches. If you want to be discipline of Jesus study what he teaches and keep his words.

And why these mistakes are so bad? Thats because there is same kind of promise of life like there is in that covenant that God made through Moses. If Jews love God and keep his words they shall live and have many blessings. If they dont they will have many sufferings and eventually they will perish, if they dont turn back to God and love him and keep his words as it is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Same thing pertain words that Jesus said. Jesus said his words are for life (John 6:63). If you leave them you also leave life. And as you can notice in Covenant that is made through Jesus and the one that is made trough Moses, most important commandment is to love God (The only God) more than anything (Deuteronomy 6:5 (Exodus 20:6) , Mat. 22:36-38). If you love God you keep his commandments. If you study what has happened to Jews in their long history, you should understand how serious thing it is to abandon God when you have accepted his Covenant as many Christians have although it seems that many of them dont understand that they have accepted some Covenant that God made through Jesus.

I don't disagree with much of what you say here. IMO, Jesus would never be a Christian were he alive today, and would never approve of many Christian sects now existing.

[Dr_Quantum]

I don't disagree with much of what you say here. IMO, Jesus would never be a Christian were he alive today, and would never approve of many Christian sects now existing.[/quote]

Well this is taking the assumption that Jesus wasn't an attention seeker, in which case he would be sitting where the pope is lapping it up.

[Prince]

Christians follow Paul.

No one can see the reign of God without being born from above.
No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
Flesh makes flesh ,spirit makes spirit.
Do not be amazed that I told you, You must be born from above.
The wind blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.
Truly I say to you, we speak of what we know and we testify to what we have seen, but you people do not accept our testimony.

I am the light of the world. No one who follows me will ever walk in darkness, cause he will possess the light of life. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where he is going.
Once you have the light, keep faith in the light, and you will become a child of light.
Whoever believes in me believes not only in me but also in the one who sent me,
and whoever sees me sees the one who sent me.

The upright will dwell in the land, the honest will remain in it.

My son, dont forget my teaching, keep my commands in mind ;
For many days, and years of life, and peace, will they bring you.

The curse of the Lord is on the house of the wicked, but the dwelling of the just he blesses;

My son, pay attention to my words, incline your ear to my sayings ;
Dont let them slip out of your sight, keep them within your heart;
For they are life to those who find them, to man's whole being they are health.

The fear of the Lord prolongs life, and the words of the upright saves them.

The teaching of the wise is a fountain of life and those who walk uprightly fear the Lord.

These are the words of the Lord who sent me. I came down from heaven to do His will not my own.Anyone who chooses to do His will shall understand this teaching whether it comes from God or I'm speaking on my own.

I judge as I hear and my judgment is just because I'm not seeking my own will but the will of the Lord who sent me.

I do nothing on my own I only say what the Lord has taught me for the One who sent me is with me because I always do what pleases HIm.

I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Lord except through me.

Those are the words of my Father the Lord and my brother Jesus. We are One. He sent me.

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Prince.

Welcome to the forum.

If I provide my address, will you send me some of what you've been smoking ?

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Christians follow Paul.

That may be true in many cases. But does Paul follow Jesus? In my opinion, if he doesnt teach anything against what Jesus says, then he follows Jesus and all of them that follows Paul, follows then also Jesus.

Unfortunately many Pauls teachings are interpreted so that they are not equals to what Jesus says. And then person who follows wrong interpretation doesnt really follow Jesus or Paul but the one who has interpreted the text. And I think thats bad thing if one follows teachings that are not equal to what Jesus says, because words that Jesus said will save, not anybody elses.

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. . . . . words that Jesus said will save, not anybody elses.

The "words of Jesus will save" from WHAT?

Would that be the supposed "hell" that Jesus and his dad (or part of himself, or whatever) constructed to house or torture (depending on "interpretation") all of humanity for "eternity" except those who worship the "gods" correctly?

Fortunately it cannot be shown that the "afterlife" with rewards and punishments is anything more than the product of overactive human imagination -- and fear of death.

[McCulloch]

I hope that you know that Christian originally meant discipline of Jesus. According to what Jesus says, true discipline of Jesus is person who remain in words that he said (John 8:31). Are todays Christians truly disciplines of Jesus? Do they keep words that Jesus said? Are they following somebody else than Jesus? Do they even know who they are following or who they should follow?

I've not met anyone who follows the teachings of the one who said:

• Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
• You have heard that it was said, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.
• Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD. But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING. Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your statement be, Yes, yes or No, no; anything beyond these is of evil.
• You have heard that it was said, AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH. But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
• Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
• So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Would you please send me $1,000 ?

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. . . . . words that Jesus said will save, not anybody elses.

The "words of Jesus will save" from WHAT?

They will save from decisive death.

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Would you please send me $1,000 ?

Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal;
Mat. 6:19